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原帖由 你老闆 于 2013-1-30 02:11 发表


那你要寄望vgleaks不正確才行

等等倍舒爽,我想起aegies說過兩部機都是170-200W,再算低點lol

这表示我的pc可以晚点升级了，升级也不用升多高……

机能进步最少的次时代？

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原帖由 倍舒爽 于 2013-1-29 22:39 发表
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顺求yujioh另外的爆料贴，，

http://bbs.saraba1st.com/2b/read-htm-tid-888847-page-1.html

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我想问下业内。ps4向下兼容真的没戏了么？

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原帖由 shiningfire 于 2013-1-30 03:29 发表

http://bbs.saraba1st.com/2b/read-htm-tid-888847-page-1.html

多谢。。不管该位暴料仁兄说的话真假。。他说的相当于6850cf的可能性加大了。。还不是加大了一点。。
泡了下b3d，看来是过于悲观了。。
为什么呢？跟以往一样，在阿社君出现之前，大家都认为apu里的gpu是垃圾~
存在太多陈旧的概念。。
而对于现在的新型apu表现，也同样存在太多陈腐观念。。

http://beyond3d.com/showpost.php?p=1699631&postcount=187
According to these rumors, Orbis is basically an APU + GPU design, but integrated into a single SoC instead of a MCM or SiP, which allows for minimum latency and maximum bandwith at the same time.
（soc封装带来什么？）

On the APU side we have the eight Jaguars combined with 256 GCN shaders, together burning an incredible amount of 512 GFLOPS! Just for the record: An Intel Core i7 4770k desktop CPU (only) delivers 448 GFLOPS. Imagine what this could mean for AI, animations, physics, etc. On the GPU side we have a processor that is basically a small HD7850 Pitcairn. In my eyes this GPU is strong enough to deliver enjoyable graphics for a next gen gaming console, especially when keeping the perverse TDP of modern high end cards in mind. We're most likely talking about 3rd gen HSA for Orbis, which means a unified adress space for CPU and GPU(s), pageable system memory for the GPU(s) with CPU pointers, and a fully coherent memory between CPU and GPU(s). Simply put, no copy work between the CPU and the two iGPs. This will be a hell of a speedup compared to a modularly designed PC (take a look at the superb 28nm Temash SoC rendering Dirt: Showdown at 1920x1080 with 5W!!!)

The reasons for going with APU + GPU are better programmability and lower latencies. You can look it up in this slide(http://de.slideshare.net/zlatan4177/gpgpu-algorithms-in-games,很重要的信息，需要翻x，但我的daili有问题） from the 2012 Fusion Developer Summit. You don't want your GPU to be saturated because of both GPGPU algorithms and graphics tasks. A single (AMD) GPU can't handle either task at the same time, which would end in a lot of headache for the programmer. AMD names two solutions for this problem: You can wait for the 2014 20nm feature Graphics Pre-Emption, or you just use an APU dedicated to computing together with a second GPU dedicated to graphics rendering. Sony is doing the latter, obviously.

It seems as if the Orbis rumors are getting more and more specific. The difference between this leak (8 x Jaguar/ 256 GCN SPs APU + 896 GCN SPs GPU) and the last leak (8x Jaguar CPU + 1152 GCN SPs GPU) is a much better balance between the computing power and the graphics power. Eight Jaguars for a Pitcairn seemed a bit underpowered, anyway. But one thing is missing in this leak: There is no dedicated DRM hardware at all, neither ARM nor SPE. It would really surprise me if they are launching without a proper in-hardware DRM.


那么Temash SoC又是啥呢？？
选几个具代表性的：
“预估28nm 4.5W SOC ，双核1.5Ghz Jaguar和128SP 500MHz 海岛搭配1.2V单通道DDR3 1600能横扫Win8平板市场(看着很渣是吧？？？）
新3DMark的跨平台测试则成Temash APU的杀手锏，加上8小时高清播放1O小时上网4小时3D游戏和低温合理价必能俘虏潜在消费者的心”

“APU明年实现真正的CPU/GPU统一寻址”（上年的新闻）

“Kabini将具备4个Jaguar“美洲豹”核心，TDP达到9~25w，应用领域将在11.6~15.6更轻薄的笔记本中；而Temash主打低功耗，TDP达3.6~5.9w，最多具备4个Jaguar核心，主要应用领域在于平板电脑等设备中。”
继续搜搜看，真的很逆天！！！

那么一开始说到的5w玩意，到底如何？？这个较早的视频已经被大家忽视了。。。。
啊社老师你也是的，咱悲观，你怎么也不提点一下呢？？这应该就是amd与ati最逆天的结晶了。。

假设上面的演示保守点才跑26fps~

然后俺再贴一个图对比下。。


看见最下面的gt440吗？也要60w左右。。。

那么对比temash，后者是何种程度的性能功耗比！！！！

那么咱的apu，假如去到130w的话。。。说相当于6850cf，不算夸张了吧。。。

参考信息：
http://www.amd.com/us/press-rele ... veils_new_apus.aspx
AMD Unveils Innovative New APUs and SoCs that Give Consumers a More Exciting and Immersive Experience

不好意思，偶其实也不想坐过山车的。。。

@BD老师，这人说的话还算可信吗？






Multiple people, including developers, have said again and again here that the difference in performance between the two for third party titles is negligible.

That's your prerogative. I've been told by multiple sources I trust that there's still a bit of Orbis info yet to be determined, and quite a bit of Durango info that hasn't surfaced. Durango's CPU in particular is appreciably different than Orbis.
You can believe me, or you can not believe me. I've said for months that the people who are full of shit and the people who called it right will be exposed one way or the other sooner, rather than later. And when my understanding of things have changed (see: hardware threads in Durango's CPU) I've said as much.

There are two Xeons in the PC-based Durango devkits. One of them is emulating the Jaguar-based Durango CPU element. The other is emulating the audio processor in Durango. Both Xeons are quad-core, multi-threaded processors (for a total of 8 logical processors per Xeon).

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原帖由 @讴歌123  于 2013-1-30 06:25 发表
@BD老师，这人说的话还算可信吗？
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Multiple people, including developers, have said again and again here that the difference in performance between the two for third p ...

嗯，他在gaf确实也这么说过。。
图表中还有一个关键部位没列出来。。
而且他还说这玩意play a major part！！

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原帖由 @倍舒爽  于 2013-1-30 06:00 发表
多谢。。不管该位暴料仁兄说的话真假。。他说的相当于6850cf的可能性加大了。。还不是加大了一点。。
泡了下b3d，看来是过于悲观了。。
为什么呢？跟以往一样，在阿社君出现之前，大家都认为apu里的gpu是垃圾~
存 ...

能不能这么理解，次世代比这几天的预期值还是强不少，但是pc用上这些技术之后很快又会甩主机很远？

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原帖由 倍舒爽 于 2013-1-30 06:00 发表




多谢。。不管该位暴料仁兄说的话真假。。他说的相当于6850cf的可能性加大了。。还不是加大了一点。。
泡了下b3d，看来是过于悲观了。。
为什么呢？跟以往一样，在阿社君出现之前，大家都认为apu里的gpu是垃 ...

http://www.pcpop.com/doc/0/788/788647_all.shtml

我不觉得，intel一家纯CPU厂搞出来的HD4000跑尘埃3都能流畅，AMD的下一代APU做到这样有什么了不起的？这世上没有黑科技，功耗永远跟性能成正比。

论低功耗，Haswell绝逼秒飞美洲豹。

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原帖由 阿社君 于 2013-1-29 23:10 发表


你说对了，我们这几天中午吃饭有聊起，很多同事都那么说

好歹有8870那水平也行啊，之前就是这么猜的……

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原帖由 狂风007 于 2013-1-30 00:37 发表


这个问题我早问过了，可是没人鸟我

我猜缩点水一个可以跑这个

SE做这个引擎应该就是为了PS4和720

看看孤岛危机吧吧主YDQ怎么说的：
http://tieba.baidu.com/p/2048299 ... p;cid=0#27288258305

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原帖由 讴歌123 于 2013-1-30 06:25 发表
@BD老师，这人说的话还算可信吗？
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The other is emulating the audio processor in Durango

这个阿社好像说的是类似的东西

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原帖由 变色龙 于 2013-1-29 23:06 发表
GTX780二月底就发布了，据说性能超越GTX680至少50%以上，而且功耗还能保持在200W左右

但是价格可以买2个WIIU都有的找，游戏机本来就是一个相对廉价的家庭电子娱乐解决方案，真正高性能的东西一等价钱一等货。

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原帖由 west2046 于 2013-1-30 09:08 发表

The other is emulating the audio processor in Durango

这个阿社好像说的是类似的东西

可是BD老师到现在还没回应我

顺便@阿社君，你怎么看？:D

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原帖由 讴歌123 于 2013-1-30 07:11 发表

http://www.pcpop.com/doc/0/788/788647_all.shtml

我不觉得，intel一家纯CPU厂搞出来的HD4000跑尘埃3都能流畅，AMD的下一代APU做到这样有什么了不起的？这世上没有黑科技，功耗永远跟性能成正比。
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楼上所说的5W tdp的APU跑3DV的P分不到1000，大家用脑子想想这种性能等级的东西能把尘埃跑流畅？