nice

顶起来给虚拟党看的

给个建议，既然狗版你在听到别人说你回去“补课”之类时也会很不舒服，那么在讨论时自己也请不要先站在一个带有优越感的层面上。讨论就是讨论，类似“考考大家”及其他一开始就想确立自己结论的正确性而排他这种言辞，还是少用为妙吧。

当然如果你的本身目的就是为了制造仇恨点而提高回帖数，那当我没说

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年经啊。。还有虚拟派存活吗？

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真实派的论点就是动画里的不知真假的解释，和导演的一些言论。再脑补一些超能力或者无线网卡。

虚拟派只抓住片子中的一点违和（这些违和用上面的解释很牵强）

但是大家想想这部片子一开始的主旨是什么？你看到的不一定是真实的。导演是龌龊司机诶！你们就相信他们编不出更合理的剧情？按他们的古怪，完全可能刻意制造这些违和的冲突，他们真正的想法在这之外…

你们就像未觉醒的安德森，看到不合理的地方不敢承认而已。

如果整个matrix系列可以视为一个有缺陷的幻象，那我们所处的世界就是zion，我们这个zion的一些事件比neo空手挡章鱼更诡异，

这个zion是真实的吗？

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假设ZION是另一套MATRIX   那机械大帝为毛要在钻洞的时候找个铁矿层体验HARDCORE？  设计师何必要让NEO去选择走哪边门？ 先知玩的游戏又有啥“危险“呢？脑残后的BANE流出的血应该是数码流才对啊

其实我是来骗分的

这部片子无论zion真实还是虚幻，都需要脑补和YY才能自圆，只是虚幻比真实需要脑补的地方要少一些或者说合理一些。所以理性的人会愿意相信zion是虚幻的，而感性的人相对更能接受真实的zion。

罚lz回去重看
仔细听听片子里的台词，这片子里从来就没有出现那怕一句台词是说“真实世界”或者“现实世界”。

(Nebuchadnezzar)
Morpheus: Welcome to the real world. We've done it, Trinity. We've found him.
Trinity: I hope you're right.
Morpheus: I don't have to hope. I know it.=
Ne Am I dead?
Morpheus: Far from it.

Dozer: He still needs a lot of work.
Ne What are you doing.
Morpheus: Your muscles have atrophied, we're rebuilding them.

Ne Why do my eyes hurt?
Morpheus: You've never used them before. Rest, Neo. The answers are coming.

Ne Morpheus, what's happened to me? What is this place?
Morpheus: More important than what is when.
Ne When?
Morpheus: You believe it's the year 1999 when in fact it's closer to 2199. I can't tell you

exactly what year it is because we honestly don't know. There's nothing I can say that will

explain it for you, Neo. Come with me. See for yourself. This is my ship, the

Nebuchadnezzar. It's a hovercraft. This is the main deck. This is the core where we

broadcast our pirate signal and hack into the Matrix. Most of my crew you already know. This

is Apoc, Switch, and Cypher.

Cypher: Hi.
Morpheus: The one's you don't know, Tank and his big brother, Dozer. The little one behind

you is Mouse. You wanted to know what the Matrix is Neo? Trinity.... Try to relax. This will

feel a weird.

(Construct)
Morpheus: This is the construct. It's our loading program. We can load anything from

clothing, to equipment, weapons, training simulations, anything we need.

Ne Right now we're inside a computer program?
Morpheus: Is it really so hard to believe? Your clothes are different. The plugs in your

arms and head are gone. Your hair is changed. Your appearance now is what we call residual

self image. It is the mental projection of your digital self.

Ne This...this isn't real?

Morpheus: What is real. How do you define real? If you're talking about what you can feel,

what you can smell, what you can taste and see, then real is simply electrical signals

interpreted by your brain. This is the world that you know. The world as it was at the end

of the twentieth century. It exists now only as part of a neural-interactive simulation that

we call the Matrix. You've been living in a dream world, Neo. This is the world as it exists

today.... Welcome to the Desert of the Real. We have only bits and pieces of information but

what we know for certain is that at some point in the early twenty-first century all of

mankind was united in celebration. We marveled at our own magnificence as we gave birth to AI.

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100楼后，101楼会消失，所以tg是另一个matrix