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原帖由 @随便走走  于 2018-12-18 19:48 发表
问题是黑胶资源都是欧美几十年前的东西，人家一路听过来的。lz这纯粹为了感受玄学听这玩意真的有意思？

这两年全世界范围内黑胶复兴
退一万步假设你说的没错
lz这么玩有没有意思不是他自己说了算么？

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原帖由 @LionHeart  于 2018-12-18 18:55 发表
我不知道对着黑胶谈底噪有什么意思，想说明什么，像楼主这样真的自己玩了，然后来tg发文讲讲自己感受，用得着这样对待他吗，泥潭可能遇到tger重病或者直接人不在了，也许才会真的和气一点。

我也不知道有啥意义...

但不是楼主和另外一个人有争论嘛？...

既然有争论就摆事实讲道理咯...

另外我就是一个彻底的科技推崇者...

坚信什么艺术品排除情怀没有什么不能复制的...

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第二，时间，精力，经济情况都比较宽松，可以花不少时间去折腾（玩黑胶这点非常重要）
喷的基本满足不了这点……
我也在想纠结黑胶…是病……治不了

黑胶没什么玄学啊, 早就有公论了

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理论上，16bit/24bit的PCM解码的动态范围是96db/144db,而大多数LP的动态范围只有60-70db。

一个显而易见的结论就是，LP的客观劣势所带来的负面影响要远远大于CD理论上的不足所带来的影响

即便如此，还是有很多发烧友偏向于LP声音，最重要的原因就是，黑胶唱机在播放时会引入轻微的谐波失真，这种谐波失真可以取悦人耳，通常被主观描述成温暖自然的声音，这和电子管放大器有点类似。

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我想知道楼主去过大鸡蛋吗？感受过大鸡蛋的音效没有。

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原帖由 @测试一下  于 2018-12-19 00:18 发表
我也不知道有啥意义...

但不是楼主和另外一个人有争论嘛？...

既然有争论就摆事实讲道理咯...

另外我就是一个彻底的科技推崇者...

坚信什么艺术品排除情怀没有什么不能复制的...

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争论的并不是楼主发的内容，这什么切入点。你也知道讲道理要“摆事实”，你是个彻底的科技推崇者，坚信艺术品都可以复制，以上对楼主的帖子也并没有什么“摆事实”上的实际意义，倒是挺想吐槽的。

上面内容太虚无缥缈了。

楼主其实就是主要想说黑胶对于cd，在模拟的录音的回放上优势很大，这和底噪和信噪比没有关联，你们别真的当楼主是白痴啊。

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声音这种东西并没有一个客观标准代表最动听
失真有时也是种美
中国最早玩收音机玩黑胶玩CD的都步入老年了，有个终身的爱好是件非常了不起的事

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原帖由 @koholint  于 2018-12-18 09:14 发表
借地问问hd650要怎么搭配啊？不算耳机5000以下，能省就省性价比高点的

奥莱尔一体机？
大莱曼？
或者森海官方hdv？

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以前读高中的时候 平时省午饭钱买了20多张黑胶，后来唱机坏了，唱片就束之高阁了。
前几年回爸妈家，想起唱片怎么找也找不到，一问才知道被我爸当垃圾扔了。。。

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看看我集结了当今最顶尖数字，模拟，主动，被动声学技术的声音，小提琴，四季。
还不是最终效果，先听听
http://v.youku.com/v_show/id_XMzk2ODcxOTI2OA==.html?sharekey=755d91bdbe083ca5c8e095654a85ea562

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原帖由 @Winsscn  于 2018-12-19 02:26 发表
第二，时间，精力，经济情况都比较宽松，可以花不少时间去折腾（玩黑胶这点非常重要）
喷的基本满足不了这点……
我也在想纠结黑胶…是病……治不了

时间 精力 经济情况和黑胶好不好，是个正比例关系呢还是反比例关系？

Why CDs May Actually Sound Better Than Vinyl
https://www.laweekly.com/music/w ... -than-vinyl-5352162

"As long as you can measure the difference, the CD will be better than the vinyl, absolutely," says Kees A. Schouhamer Immink, a former Philips engineer in the Netherlands, who was a member of the Sony/Philips task force that created the compact disc standards. "But if you say the whole experience — just like smoking cigars with friends — [is better], well, do it. Enjoy smoking cigars with friends, and drink beer and brandy and enjoy listening to an old-fashioned record player. But don't say the sound is better.

"You may say it sounds better to you. That's OK. That's a subjective matter."

In 1968, a 23-year-old audio engineer named Bob Ludwig at New York's A&R Recording was asked to create a test pressing of The Band's debut, Music From Big Pink, so that the producers could hear what it would sound like on LP. During the process, he especially tried to preserve as much as possible of the deep low end of the band's sound, which he believed was critical to its music.

But when he heard the final LP that was released, he was stunned. "All the low, extreme low bass that I knew was there, was chopped right off."

Years later, when Ludwig was hired to provide the final edit (known as mastering) for a greatest-hits package for The Band, he got the album's master tapes back from Capitol Records. On the box was a note from the cutting engineer who'd made the original vinyl master, saying the album's extreme low end had to be cut out.

Of vinyl's inherent deficiencies, reproducing bass is one of its most glaring. The other is that the last track on each side of a record sounds worse than the first, due to the fact that the player's stylus covers fewer inches of grooves per second as it gets closer to the center.

"The vinyl disc is a steadily collapsing medium," says Ludwig, who went on to become a Grammy-winning mastering engineer, with credits on Patti Smith's Horses, Steely Dan's Gaucho and White's Lazaretto, among many others. "The closer it gets to the label, the more the information is getting compromised, the high frequencies getting lost."
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玄学观点vs专业观点

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毛爷爷的胜利

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原帖由 @taishen001  于 2018-12-19 09:05 发表
奥莱尔一体机？
大莱曼？
或者森海官方hdv？

老哥你都用过吗

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原帖由 koholint 于 2018-12-18 09:14 发表
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借地问问hd650要怎么搭配啊？不算耳机5000以下，能省就省性价比高点的

国产香榭丽舍一体机，3980，对付650够了