以下内容,大部分是老外影迷总结的<<THE ROCK>>穿帮镜头,我只是收集了一下,顺便尝试翻译.其中部分内容我验证过,还有的没时间去核对了,有兴趣的FANS们可以翻翻 :D

另外穿帮镜头的顺序和该场景在影片中出现的顺序没有任何关系-------俺没空理清顺序啦.:D 英语水平有限,翻译的不对之处请指出



1.31凌晨翻译小部分.



1.Audio/visual unsynchronized: While Agent Goodspeed is describing the horrible effects of VX gas, the part where he says "it melts your skin off" does not match his mouth movements, and sounds different than the rest of the audio (since real VX gas does not melt skin (see above), it was probably added to make VX gas seem scarier to the audience).

配音不同步:当goodspeed在介绍VX毒气导弹恐怖威力时的候,他说到"它会把你的皮肤熔化掉".但是这和他的口形不匹配,而且说这句话的声音和本段对话中其他配音的声音不大吻合(因为实际上VX毒气是不会熔化皮肤的,可能是为了向观众夸张地表现一下VX毒气的恐怖而在后期处理加上了这段对白内容)
-----------------------------------------------------からす♂ 已验证

2.Continuity: After Goodspeed and Mason have been captured, and it shows the words "52 minutes to deadline", that would make it 11:08 in the morning. When they launch the first rocket, the sun is really far down in the west, making it appear to be about 7:30 p.m., not 12 midday. When Hummel aborts it, it's blue sky. When Goodspeed launches the green flares, the sky changes from sunset to midday to sunset in about ten seconds. When he is rescued by the FBI, it's almost dark, about 9 p.m. But in reality, according to the deadline, it's only about 1 p.m. at most.

时间上的连续性:goodspeed和Mason被逮后,屏幕中出现了提示---"距离Deadline(R注:翻译成最后期限有点土,就用英语代替了:D )还有52分钟",此时应该是中午11:08分.
但是当第一枚导弹发射的时候,太阳已经很明显落向西方,那么时间应该是晚上7:30左右,而非正午.
Hummel中止这次导弹袭击的时候,又变成了蓝天.
当goodspeed发射绿色信号时,夕阳的余晖照在他脸上.
从日落,到正午,再到日落,时间过得实在是太快了.
最后,goodspeed被FBI从恶魔岛救出的情况来看,应该到了晚上9点左右天黑的时间.可是根据实际剧本中对Deadline的设定,那会应该只是下午1点而已.
-----------------------------------------------------からす♂ 已验证

3.Continuity: At the end of the movie Mason says its been a long time since he's thanked anyone for anything. However, the day before he thanked Goodspeed for not embarrassing him in front of his daughter.

对白的一点冲突:影片最后,Mason对goodspeed说他已经很久没有向人道过谢了,其实就在头一天,他还在感谢goodspeed让他在女儿面前从容收场.
-----------------------------------------------------蛋疼型的穿帮 :D

4.Continuity: In the helicopter on the way to Alcatraz, Lt. Shepard quickly loses the headset he is seen to be putting on.

在乘直升机飞向恶魔岛的时候,Shepard(那个伶牙俐齿给Goodspeed"精准定义combat"的特种部队队员)的耳机似乎不见了,而之前他是戴着的.
-----------------------------------------------------からす♂ 已验证,另感谢からす♂指正翻译的错误 :D


5.Continuity: Mason and Goodspeed peer through a slot in the wall that is open when Goodspeed looks at it, but closed when he motions for Mason to look.

Mason和Goodspeed穿过一栋墙的时候,从Goodspeed的角度看,墙上的门是开着的,而从Mason的角度看却变成关闭的了.
-----------------------------------------------------不知道说的是两人躲过两枚炸弹,从下水道爬上来准备去停尸房过程中,谈到Alcatraz历史那段镜头,还是Mason那段经典的'Your Best? Losers always whine about..."台词,眼拙,两个地方都没看出来穿帮,请其他真饭验证 :D



2.1更新:



6.Continuity: Mason and Stanley dry off too quickly after sheltering underwater from the firebombs.

化妆上的一些问题:Mason和goodspeed隐匿在水中躲过了燃烧弹,但是他们湿漉漉的身体也干得太快了一点.
-----------------------------------------------------各花入各眼,我觉得是干得快了点 :D

7.Continuity: The disguised Marine that shoots the two guards inside the weapons depot is wearing gloves. Later, when he drops the VX gas canister, he's not wearing them. Although it's possible that he took them off, even if he did, he's shown wearing them a second later (when Major Baxter yells "Evac!". Then it shows him banging on the door without them on.

伪装进入军火库的那个陆战队员是戴着手套用麻醉枪解决两个警卫的.不过紧接着在他搬弄VX毒气导弹的时候,却没有手套的踪影,好吧,姑且假设他在干掉守卫之后脱掉了手套,这样就能说得过去了.但是在Baxter上校大叫"撤退"那段特写中,手套又莫名其妙出现在他手上.当然,还没完,在他最后绝望地趴在窗口祈求开门的时候,我们再次发现手套消失了,或许...VX毒气也能熔化手套...
-----------------------------------------------------验证了

8.Continuity: The number of F-18s headed toward Alcatraz varies between four, five and six.

飞向恶魔岛的F-18s编队在整个飞行途中,数目一直在4,5,6之间进行变化.
-----------------------------------------------------验证了 :D

9.Continuity: The old lady seen crossing in front of the crashing trolley is also a passenger on the same trolley.

还记得Mason在车上给查号台打电话时,颤颤巍巍出现在他车前那个老太太么?为了躲避这个老太太,Mason撞上了那倒霉的有轨电车.不过好像因为群众演员不够的原因,老太太也同时出现在有轨电车上了.
-----------------------------------------------------验证未果...可能说的是那个胖子旁边的老太太吧,からす♂ 在25楼给出一张截图比较能说明情况,至少衣服是一样的.

10.Continuity: The plane which rolls out of the hanger is a two seater F/A-18 Hornet, yet all aircraft in the flight squadron are single seaters.

开出停机仓的飞机是海军双座的F/A-18大黄蜂,可是在红雷突击队的所有飞机都是单座的型号.
-----------------------------------------------------作为伪军事迷无法验证...からす♂ 在50楼给出截图认为此非BUG



2.1中午更新:



11.Continuity: The same extras (most notably the man with a large white beard) can be seen standing both on the left and on the right of the Ferrari when it breaks the storefront window.

记得goodspeed驾着Ferrari冲破车库玻璃继续追赶Mason那段剧情么,在他冲破玻璃的一瞬间,车库门脸前那个白胡子老头位于驾驶方向的左边,在车落地的一瞬间,白胡子老头又跑到驾驶方向的右边去了.

R注:因为镜头转移太快,一定要用步进来看,Ferrari冲破玻璃的一瞬间,镜头拉到车头的右上方,你能看见白胡子老头是站在那个写有"7th street garage"的门口的,(7the street garage这个门脸在车头的左边)等到车快落地的瞬间,镜头又拉到车头的左上方,你会惊奇的发现老头和7the street garage的门脸一起瞬移到车头的右边了...而且老头已经不是站在门口了.
-----------------------------------------------------验证了

12.Continuity: The tour guide's socks are up/down between shots in the prison.

那可怜的恶魔岛导游Barbel,他的长筒袜一会拉起来一会拉下去.

R注:在刚上岛的那个远景镜头里,Barbel的袜子是一起拉到齐膝的,在他让所有人走进牢房,说"quite a tight, Hnnn?"时,Hummel和手下走过来,镜头拉下,可以发现Barbel右腿的袜子拉下来了,不过这倒是可以解释得通的,狱中似乎没有镜头拉到Barbel,(最后一个镜头是无奈的Barbel看着那个大妈高喊"help",所以仅仅列出来不作验证了.
-----------------------------------------------------未验证

13.Continuity: The windshield of the Hummer after smashing through the water bottle truck.

R注:原话复制的时候好像少了关键词,What's wrong with the windshield of the Hummer?所以我猜是后面的追逐远景中,Hummer的挡风玻璃上没有任何水渍.虽然撞击饮水机车的时候,车内镜头显示挡风玻璃上是有水渍的.
-----------------------------------------------------未验证

14.Continuity: When Goodspeed gets in the Ferrari and closes the door, you can see that it's the door of the real F-355. Later when the tram destroys the car, the door is that of the stunt vehicle and, understandably, not of the real Ferrari.

当goodspeed乘上法拉力的时候,你能看到他关上的车门是Ferrari F-355的.不过在有轨电车撞毁这可怜的黄车时,车门似乎不是F 355的而是其他一辆替身车,不过可以理解的是,导演不会压毁一辆真的Ferrari.

-----------------------------------------------------R注:stunt vehicle翻译成替身车不知道合适否? 请指正.からす♂ 在52楼给出截图,认为此非BUG


15.Continuity: When the Hummer crashes into the meter-maid vehicle, it skids and goes sideways. In the next shot, it is still pointed straight down the street.

当那辆悍马撞向路边电线杆的时候(原文是说警察坐的那个小巡逻车),它的车头是侧着偏向路边而且有个很明显的停顿,不过接下来电线杆被撞倒的那个分镜头中,车头却笔直地指向路中间并高速驶走,几乎没有任何减速后加速的动作.
-----------------------------------------------------验证了,其实在电影院第一次看这片子的时候我就觉得这里拍的特假:D

[ 本帖最后由 Rainheart 于 2007-2-6 19:44 编辑 ]

2.1晚翻译小部分.



16.Continuity: When the SEAL team arrives at Alcatraz, they emerge from the water without the goggles or
regulators they wore on the trip to the island.

当海豹从水底潜入Alcatraz的时候,他们入水前佩戴的护目镜和校准器都不见鸟.
-----------------------------------------------------验证了

17.Continuity: While talking to his daughter in the Palace of Fine Arts, Mason's tie changes.
Mason和他女儿在艺术宫谈话的那段情节中,Mason的领带似乎总有一些小变化.
-----------------------------------------------------R注:注意领结:D

18.Crew or equipment visible: Supporting cables visible on the first camera shot of Goodspeed being blown into the sea.

goodspeed被气浪抛入海中的时候,观众还可以看到从背后牵引住他的钢丝.
-----------------------------------------------------R注:好像这就是xptl说的那个BUG,原贴有这条,我没注意到 :D

19.Errors in geography: Final scene obviously not filmed in Kansas.

影片最后的部分似乎不是在堪萨斯州拍摄的.
-----------------------------------------------------不知道...

20.Factual errors: During the chase, when Goodspeed crashes the Ferrari into the parking meters, several dozen coins spill out, including a good number of pennies. Modern San Francisco parking meters do not accept pennies (and have not in decades).
在影片中,Goodspeed驾驶Ferrari躲避残疾人的时候,撞向了一排咪表,(parking meters是咪表吧?)不少硬币从损坏的咪表中飞出,而事实上洛杉矶的停车咪表是没法塞进硬币的(多年来一直是这样)
-----------------------------------------------------不清楚...



2.2凌晨翻译小部分.



21.Factual errors: The scientists outside the gas chamber shout at the men inside to inject themselves "before your suits melt." Atropine is toxic if taken when exposure to a nerve agent has not actually taken place - taking it before the suits have melted would incapacitate the agents. Furthermore, anyone who had been injected with atropine (whether before or after nerve agent exposure) would be in no fit state to either defuse a bomb or, as Goodspeed does at the end of the film, get up and run outside to light the flares.

影片中,FBI生化武器部突遭危机---来自毒气硫酸以及炸弹的威胁,封闭操作室的工程师当时冲着操作室内的Goodspeed和Mavin大喊"在硫酸溶化你们防护服之前赶紧注射颠茄剂".而医学角度讲,注射颠茄剂之后..............没有人能够从容地去做别的事情,不管是解除炸弹引线还是...片尾Goodspeed所演绎的那样:挣扎着爬起并点燃信号弹.
-----------------------------------------------------不清楚,不表态

22.Factual errors: VX is a nerve agent and does not melt skin.

VX毒气是不会溶化皮肤的.
-----------------------------------------------------不清楚,不表态

23.Factual errors: VX nerve agent is an oily liquid that is amber in color not green as in the movie.

VX是一种透明油状液体,而非片中的绿色液态物.
-----------------------------------------------------不清楚,不表态

24.Continuity: When the Ferrari crashes through the parking meters, the indicator lights on the bumper have disappeared (presumably as this car is a mock up), but in the next shot of the Ferrari from the front, the lights have reappeared.

细节问题:法拉力撞上停车咪表的时候,缓冲器上的指示灯不见了,不过在下一祯法拉力正前方特写时我们看到,车灯又出现了.
-----------------------------------------------------R注:不明白车的构造,Ferrari更是不了解...所以全按照字面意思翻译,尝试验证过,但是没发现什么蹊跷

25.Continuity: The wheel on the motorcycle that Goodspeed is riding can be seen stationary momentarily.

goodspeed驾驶的摩托车轮胎好像一下就停住了.
-----------------------------------------------------R注:goodspeed把车停下的时候,确实车轮瞬间停转了,不过这个似乎能解释得通吧? 或许是我对原文理解有偏差,望指教



2.2中午翻译小部分.



26.Factual errors: The aircraft used to drop the thermite plasma are F/A-18s, which are normally US Navy jets, but they have US Air Force markings as do the pilots flying them. The Air Force flies F-16s.

影片中飞往Alcatraz投下炸弹的飞机是F/A-18s,这是海军的型号,但是这些飞机又有美国空军的标志(包括飞行员起飞的时候也能看到),事实上空军是飞F-16s的.
-----------------------------------------------------からす♂ 50楼的图有airforce的字样,不过到底谁用哪个飞机我就不清楚了


27.Incorrectly regarded as goofs: When entering Alcatraz, Mason jumps through wheels and flames to get into the building. He said he had to learn the sequences when he escaped in the 60s. But as soon he's inside Alcatraz he opens a door from the inside. Why didn't he escape through this door in the 1960? Because in the 1960s, when Alcatraz was a prison, that door was locked.

Mason滚过那个焚烧炉时,他说希望还能记得住扇叶的时间差(翻译不大精准,不过熟悉影片的人应该能理解:D),之后他打开了焚烧炉旁边那扇门,"Welcome to the rock".
为什么他在1960年不通过那扇门去逃走呢?

废话,那会Alcatraz还是监狱而非旅游胜地.
-----------------------------------------------------R注:这段应该是老外推翻某个BUG的一段论据,不算BUG,单纯列出来

28.Continuity: The windshield of the Ferrari after crashing into the parking meters.

Ferrari撞过一排咪表的时候,镜头很清楚地显示出挡风玻璃上方有撞击的痕迹,之后似乎又复原了.
-----------------------------------------------------撞咪表的时候确实很清楚显示出挡风玻璃上方的伤痕,但是之后似乎没有什么车头正面特写了

29.Factual errors: VX nerve agent was discovered in the UK during the early 1950s and therefore Mason should know about it.

影片中Mason并不知道VX神经毒气的厉害,但事实上VX神经毒气早在50年代就在英国发明出来了,作为顶尖特工不大可能不知道这玩意的厉害
-----------------------------------------------------不清楚,不表态

30.Factual errors: When Godspeed crashes the Ferrari, the airbag inflates and he has to shoot it out to escape the car. Airbags inflate and then deflate automatically, you do not have to puncture them to deflate them.

goodspeed的Ferrari弹出安全气囊的时候,有一个镜头表现他为了从车内脱身而拔枪打爆了安全气囊,不过实际中安全气囊会自动充气打开,也会自动放气缩回去,所以打安全气囊就是脱裤子放屁.
-----------------------------------------------------还没享受过安全气囊的待遇,不过影片中为了表现千钧一发的危机关头,打安全气囊倒也说的过去,但是好像goodspeed没解安全带?

[ 本帖最后由 Rainheart 于 2007-2-2 14:19 编辑 ]

2.2晚上翻译小部分.



31.Incorrectly regarded as goofs: How can Mason be imprisoned in Alcatraz in 1962 for stealing files about the Kennedy Assassination (November 1963)? Easily: the film supports the rumour that Kennedy was assassinated by a government agency, and there existed confidential documents in 1962 about the upcoming assassination.

还是老外推翻某个BUG的论据:

原BUG:Mason怎么可能在1962年的时候就偷走关于肯尼迪遇刺的绝密档案呢?因为肯尼迪遇刺是在1963年的11月.

反驳者:很简单,影片加入这段情节的依据当然就是那个传说中故事啦-----------肯尼迪是被政府有预谋的暗杀的,这份暗杀计划的文件早在1962年就拟定了.
-----------------------------------------------------野史就不验证了

32.Plot holes: At the end Goodspeed puts a glass sphere in the pocket on his chest. We do not see any measures taken to prevent it from breaking. But in the fight afterward we clearly see Goodspeed land on his chest. The same glass later breaks quite easily in the mouth of the terrorist.

片中我们看到Goodspeed把那个单独掉落的VX毒气球塞进了上衣口袋,而且没有任何保护措施来防止毒气球的破裂.但是在他与Fryed上尉搏斗的镜头里,我们很清楚地看到Goodspeed用前胸着地,奇怪的是这个"结实"的毒气球很容易就在上尉的口中爆裂了.

R注:而且片中不止一次提到这个玩意易碎:第一次在武器库,四散滚动的毒气球撞到门上就破了;停尸房枪战里Goodspeed三次冲Mason大喊"Don't shoot the rocket",我想不是怕引爆导弹而是怕打暴了毒气;在拆除导弹导航芯片的时候也是小心翼翼把那一挂毒气球交给Mason,并警告说"如果你不小心弄破了这一串晶莹透亮的球,咱们两个都得死";最后正遭遇机枪扫射的他轻手轻脚把一挂毒气球放在下水管道那里,然后拼了命去抓住最后那个"坚固"的毒气球
-----------------------------------------------------算是验证了吧

33.Revealing mistakes: At several points in the movie, the Marines are firing M4s; sometimes they eject cartridges, but when you see a closepup of the captain firing at Goodspeed and Mason, there are no cartridges being ejected from the weapon.

影片中不少镜头里,陆战队员的M4s火力全开却只是偶尔见到弹壳飞出,在Fryed上尉向Goodspeed开火的近镜头特写里,更是看不到一个弹壳蹦出来.
-----------------------------------------------------提到的那个特写镜头我验证过,至少有一个弹壳飞出来 :D

34.Revealing mistakes: During the chase scene with the Hummer, one of the cars that flips, clearly showing the explosives-holding special effects canister under the car, still smoking.

在追捕Mason的片段中,我们能很清楚地看见一辆翻车的警车车底下装有喷射烟雾的装置,而且还不停地在冒烟.
-----------------------------------------------------满天浓烟的看不大出来...

35.Revealing mistakes: General Hummel clearly lands on a mat after he is shot.

镜头里很清楚地能看到Hummel中枪后倒在了地毯上.
-----------------------------------------------------验证了,地毯被掀起来一块



2.6晚上翻译小部分.



36.Revealing mistakes: When the cable car is knocked off its tracks, slides down the hill and explodes, you can see the road behind and there are no tracks coming down the hill.

电影中很清楚地显示,有轨电车被悍马从轨道上撞了出来,但是在电车从斜坡上滑下直冲Ferrari而来的时候,你能发现那段斜坡上根本就没有电车轨道.
-----------------------------------------------------验证了

37.Audio/visual unsynchronized: When Goodspeed is firing his pistol from the mine carts, sometimes his gun has a muzzle flash when it fires and sometimes not.

goodspeed在那个煤矿车上开枪的时候,他的枪口只是偶尔会喷出火光,而并不是每次开枪的时候都有.
-----------------------------------------------------验证了

38.Revealing mistakes: Rubber tires are visible underneath the trolley as it crashes into the SUV.

有轨电车撞向路边的SUV时(里面有人的那个SUV),能看见缓冲用的橡胶胎.
-----------------------------------------------------片源不好,这里特别暗,没验证

39.Continuity: When Mason is opening the cell by throwing the rope, he pulls one handle down, then a few seconds later when he pulls down the second one the first is up.

Mason用拼结的绳子打开牢门那段剧情,一开始他拉下了一个牢门把手,打开了旁边那个门,过一会他终于把绳索套在正确把手上时,之前那个被他拉下来的把手又直立起来了.
-----------------------------------------------------似乎能解释得通

40.Incorrectly regarded as goofs: Mason has been imprisoned for the past 30 years yet when he escapes he knows how to work a cell phone (reasonable, since it's not hard) and modern scuba gear (which hasn't changed all that much).

非BUG: Mason在监狱度过了30年时光,但是他居然知道怎么用手机以及现代化的呼吸器?-----你觉得手机很难学会怎么用么?而且呼吸器的功能和使用方法也没什么变化.
-----------------------------------------------------我很同意

[ 本帖最后由 Rainheart 于 2007-2-6 19:44 编辑 ]

占楼备用,睡觉

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原帖由 coolswan 于 2007-1-31 03:04 发表
LZ蛋疼鉴定完毕

原贴估计早都没了,我也是乱撞撞上的,还好我把内容保存下来了.唯一可惜的是之前考证截的图不慎格盘丢失殆尽.

晚上回家继续翻译.:D

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原帖由 xtpl 于 2007-1-31 11:48 发表
DVD版最后的爆炸掉入海的时候，吊主角身上的钢丝没洗掉，算是BUG么？

没注意过这地方,原贴也没写这个.

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原帖由 丝袜套头II 于 2007-1-31 09:16 发表
only the winner can go home and XX the prome queen

Losers always whine about their best, winners go home and fu ck the prom queen.

在下人生格言之一 :D

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原帖由 からす♂ 于 2007-1-31 21:37 发表
我第一次看的时候我就想问
为什么汗墨的手下皮肤会被腐蚀
而godspeed没有被腐蚀?
多年过去了,偶小白得依旧不知道why

BUG 1解释的比较清楚了:D VX毒气是不会腐蚀皮肤的

当然如果goodspeed的皮肤腐蚀了,后面就没戏了.

又更新了5个BUG.

LS明显是真饭.:D

影片中对颠茄剂的使用描述其实也是和医学常识所违背的,这个在BUG之中,不过我还没更新出来.

而且那个装着VX毒气的球体结实度也有疑问,BUG列表中也有,请等我慢慢更新 :D

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原帖由 からす♂ 于 2007-2-1 13:32 发表
4.Continuity: In the helicopter on the way to Alcatraz, Lt. Shepard quickly loses the headset he is seen to be putting on.

在乘直升机飞向恶魔岛的时候,Shepard(那个伶牙俐齿给Goodspeed"精准 ...

汗...我居然把headset翻译成面罩了...每天都给blueteeth headset配对的...

多谢指正,我去编辑了.

对,老外的原意就是说,"But that's after your skin melts off"这句话是后期处理中单独加上去的.

所以听起来和goodspeed拆导弹这段对话中其他词句的声音,语气有一些不一样.就好比写毛笔字断笔的效果:D

好了,更新到15条,我也该开始干活了:D

看晚上有没有功夫继续更新

没弄懂42楼说的意思,打火机爆了不也会有液体残留么,,包括家里液化气瓶都是有残留液的.

所以Frye嘴里喷出液体也是情有可原.:D 瞬间失去压力以及温度不够高都无法使液态物气化.

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原帖由 丝袜套头II 于 2007-2-1 22:06 发表
在一定的压力容器里储存时会呈现出液态，但一旦容器破裂的话，气体会气化，至于你说的残留液体那是水，那因为气化的时候要吸热的。使周围的空气的水冷凝呀。

不是,液化气罐里的液态有的是仍呈液态的煤气,无压力使之气化,但是还能燃烧.比如有的家里会用一盆热水放置在煤气罐底部来"加点气"

还有我试过去烧破打火机的残留液,能烧着.:D