ea 总裁在投资者会议上已经明白地说了，wiiu和ps4 720不是一代

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原帖由 快乐猪头 于 2013-2-8 21:20 发表
谈到XBOX、PS2时，会有人拿N64来参和说事么？谈到360、PS3时，会有人拿GC来参和说事么？谈到720、PS4时，会有人拿Wii出来参和说事么？似乎不管索饭软饭还是任饭都不会。所以，它们不是一个世代。

如果谈到PS4、72 ...

其实谈到wiiu，不可避免地要拿ps360出来说事，因为游戏都是跨平台（我还真没见过有国外对比网站会蛋疼到跨时代机种对比的），你看这不雷曼又为了ps360恶搞了wiiu一把
所以，ps360和wiiu是一时代的

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原帖由 铁西瓜。 于 2013-2-8 21:28 发表
如果某人口中的EA老板是“次世代”这个词的发明者和定位者，我想大概会有些说服力的。

只可惜不是。

正如无论哪个游戏公司的总裁否认3DS和PSV属于一代都改变不了它们是一代的现实一样。这种事不是以谁说为准， ...

对，只是说明你不能代表全地球人了，起码少了一个

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原帖由 铁西瓜。 于 2013-2-8 21:29 发表
哦，原来当年介绍过跨PS2和X360的游戏的媒体都是D疼。

就是长见识

是画质对比，不是介绍的问题...

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原帖由 快乐猪头 于 2013-2-8 21:34 发表


这个没有说服力。谈到Wii的时候还不是经常有人拿PS2出来说事，PS2和Wii跨平台的作品不比PS3和Wii跨平台的少，但是就算是索饭一般也不会真的拿PS2当做跟Wii一个时代，索饭想的也都是PS3有朝一日在日本、欧洲甚至全 ...

问题是，wii确实和ps360不是一个时代，它是一部特殊的异质蓝海主机
如果一定要按照出品年份来硬划分，就像dc可以算ps一代，也可以算ps2一代，只不过有什么意义呢，你看大神游和ps2一个时代，相对n64可是次时代哦

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原帖由 古兰佐 于 2013-2-8 21:37 发表
世代这个概念要么是按照发售年代来算，第八世代家用机就是2010年以后发售的新主机，就算是第八世代了，除非WIIU是2009年发售的，你自然可以划分到第七世代里去。

要么是按照主机厂商的更新换代来算的，WIIU只要是 ...

你觉得ps2和神游一个“世代”好玩吗？当然你也可以说是索饭害怕神游...

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原帖由 铁西瓜。 于 2013-2-8 21:39 发表



可惜我没以次世代这个词汇的发明者和定义者自居，倒是有人以为EA的什么总裁是。

我当然不能代表所有的地球人，这也和是不是地球人无关，这是一个文字概念。你是不是地球人都无法改变它

你是说，ea的ceo还不如你更能把握次时代的含义，犯了低级错误咯？

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原帖由 lqdodo 于 2013-2-8 21:40 发表
世代分对了，主机能便宜1000块啊？整天秀智商，不知道争个什么玩意

你放心，你上一百年论坛，也不会多赚一分钱，那你还上来秀什么？

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原帖由 铁西瓜。 于 2013-2-8 21:41 发表


怪了，当初介绍哪些跨平台游戏的没对比过画质？

好像3DS也被某些人和媒体与PSP对比了画质，它和PSP算一代？

还真没有，我说的是face2face这种对比
掌机，掌机就别分了，根本没意义的事，fc时代是gb，sfc时代还是gb，n64时代还是gb，你慢慢划去吧...

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原帖由 铁西瓜。 于 2013-2-8 21:44 发表


这个我没有说过，但我只是知道任何人也不能保证自己对某些问题犯错误。

就好像在百家讲坛讲课的老师们也时常会犯一些历史硬伤错误一个道理。但不代表他们的学识一定比我们这些在电视机前看他讲课的人更低下。 ...

日本某事某刻某人的现实而已
问题是各人对nextgen的定义不同，现在的主流是，nextgen就是ps4和720，wiiu后面出的神盾，ouya都不是，哪里轮得到wiiu？

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原帖由 铁西瓜。 于 2013-2-8 22:00 发表


抱歉，这个不是看谁的定义，而是看它来源于哪儿。

就好像说“景泰蓝”这三个汉字连在一起就是指那种金属工艺美术品，不管其他国家怎么翻译这个词，怎么给它新的定义，但现在这三个汉字的意思仍是如此。

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没关系，你在日本肯定是你对
不过其他地方都不鸟日本了，说的是gen4，就是第4代3d主机
所以可能我们都对，wiiu在日本次时代语境中算，在欧美gen4语境中被忽略

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原帖由 萝卜 于 2013-2-8 22:05 发表
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n64和ps ss上面同样的跨平台游戏很少，是否可以看作和psss不同世代呢

可是n64跨md或者ps2的更少
所以以跨平台（且表现在一个级别）重合度看，是ps时代的
wiiu同理

EA CEO Doesn't Think Wii U is a 'Next Gen' Console







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John Riccitiello, CEO of EA, recently held a call with investors to reassure them that despite a bad year, there will still be a market for big AAA games, particularly when the next generation of consoles are released.

Meaning, that hasn’t happened yet.

If that sounds like a slight to the Wii U, well, it kind of is. Though Riccitiello makes sure to soften the blow.

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“Never count Nintendo out. They’ve got some of the best IP in the game industry. When their marquee titles show up, that’s when you usually see the bounce. I deeply respect the achievements they’ve had over the last several years. And as I said, you never really count them out.”

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“Having said that, I wouldn’t say that we see a correlation between the results that Nintendo has shown with their console debut of the Wii U and what we see coming. We see a pretty sharp distinction, and unfortunately I’m unable to go any further than that.

Ours is an industry where a lot of devices come in and represent themselves as the next generation, or the next generation after that. In many ways we would argue that the what we’re describing as “gen 4″ is yet to come. It’s that that we’re excited about, and that’s what we’re investing in. And frankly, we’ve been quite consistent with that for some time, while recognizing the frustration our inability to articulate precisely why causes for you.”

What he’s essentially saying here is that he’s seen what the Wii U is capable, of, and he’s seen what the upcoming versions of the Playstation and Xbox are capable of, and the gulf is sizable enough that we’ll be classifying the Wii U as “last gen” once the other two are released.

He also talked about how EA will be focusing hard on “gen 4″ versions of Battlefield and FIFA, saying that they’ll be investing a lot into games for the PS4 and 720 (or Durango and Orbis if you prefer). Not to say the Wii U won’t see any EA games. It already has Mass Effect 3 out for the system and we’ll likely see a number of the traditional sports titles that are generally released to every platform under the sun. But it doesn’t appear that the WiiU is a big part of EA’s comeback strategy.

This is what I was warning about during my “Six Reasons the Wii U is Struggling” article from last week. I said that many are waiting to see what the total scope of the next generation will look like, which means realizing what the Durango and Orbis are capable of.

The fear is that though the Wii U appears to have much more 3rd party support right now than its predecessor, that’s not necessarily going to be the case down the line. Yes, it’s nice that the system can now run titles like Arkham City and Assassin’s Creed and Mass Effect when it couldn’t before, but how long will that last?

It’s already starting. Eidos says they won’t release their new Tomb Raider for the Wii U because of the added complication of the gamepad, and Randy Pitchford said something similar about Borderlands 2, which couldn’t be bothered to be ported for the system.

And down the line, EA may have been willing to release Mass Effect 3 for the Wii U, but what about Mass Effect 4, a game assuredly designed for fully “ gen 4″ systems? Because of the Wii U’s capabilities, Nintendo will be back where they started where developers don’t want to strip down their game, or add-in extraneous features to make use of the gamepad, which is exactly what happened with the Wii.

Of course, the Wii was a smash hit regardless of lackluster 3rd party support, but as I said previously, I don’t think the Wii U can count on being the same sort of phenomenon among non-gamers.

The perfect scenario for Nintendo would have been a system that includes all their beloved first party franchises, but also one that can play any number of popular cross platform titles. Though it might be able to be that sort of system right now, once fully “next gen” games are released, I think the Wii U will be left behind by 3rd party developers and Riccitiello’s comments are a sign of what’s to come for the console.

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原帖由 铁西瓜。 于 2013-2-8 22:11 发表


那你的意思是不是说因为美国人都不鸟天朝那些称呼叔叔舅舅的称呼统统叫uncle，你就能管你的姨父叫大伯？

其他地方怎么理解，和次世代这个词本身的定义无关。如果你还是用次世代这个汉字词，那么就只能是来源于 ...

我能说的是，欧美主流厂商不把wiiu看做nextgen，这个词指720和ps4
仅此而已
脑子有毛病才要把日文汉字当中文词语祖宗吧？
否则喊娘也要按日文的意思来？妈妈咪呀

[ 本帖最后由 csiu2 于 2013-2-8 22:13 编辑 ]

我的意思很简单，你说的次时代三个字是中文，没人规定一定要等同日文的意思
所以别人说wiiu不是次时代合情合理，因为他不鸟日文