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原帖由 马甲雷 于 2011-11-13 18:48 发表


比什么首年啊？你不是要比较欧美和日本谁决定性么？

现在就问你，欧美MD1000万时，SNES才400万，为什么就是被人追上了，你的所谓决定性体现在何处？

日本dc几百万，ps2才100万时，为什么dc被追上了？

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原帖由 马甲雷 于 2011-11-13 18:50 发表


你有本事拿，拿不出来就滚蛋。

老子没功夫跟你一个手下败将嚼舌头。

快拿，不然就滚

我拿了啊，链接中说明sms比fc在欧洲更成功
求相反数据链接

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原帖由 马甲雷 于 2011-11-13 18:51 发表



你拿呀，你不本事么？

拿呀，别SMS的数据都我替你拿。你有脸么？

我要求源信息，你的二手货谁信得过？

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原帖由 马甲雷 于 2011-11-13 18:57 发表


你没本事拿，就滚蛋。

别浪费我们大家的时间。

这话应该别人对你说啊，你能拿出md在欧美同期销量高于snes的数据吗？
你都8wpdp了，别人凭什么信你？

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原帖由 马甲雷 于 2011-11-13 19:09 发表


你不是说欧美是决定性的市场么？那怎么会出现MD同期销量低于SNES的情况？91年初MD对比其他欧美主机的份额是整个市场的55%，到92年这个数字变成65%。你还打算用什么来狡辩？

不信我未必要信你这个9g仙人啊。你 ...

什么逻辑啊？
snes没有日本市场照样赢md，这就是现实
你可以把两者数据贴出来，让大家看看，到底有没有md占优势的时间段，总不能凭你胡说八道算数吧？

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原帖由 马甲雷 于 2011-11-13 19:11 发表
说别人的数据不准，自己又拿不出准确数据。

这样的2事也还真是只有杠神做的出来

你是根本没有数据好不好？
无可靠来源的东西，谁会去看呢

你可以把两者数据贴出来，让大家看看，到底有没有md占优势的时间段，总不能凭你胡说八道算数吧？

所以我说了，数据说话啊，你不是说md初期完胜snes么，让大家看看数据来源不为过吧？

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原帖由 马甲雷 于 2011-11-13 19:22 发表


你拿啊？

让你拿就痿了？

谁主张谁举证啊，既然你认为有这么戏剧性的逆转，那么自然需要你来说明了

To challenge Nintendo, Sega had everything it needed except for a mascot, a marketing campaign and a killer app. These three wishes were granted for Sega when they began accepting applications for mascots. The final decision was Sonic the Hedgehog. Not only would this become the "killer app" for the system, but Sega also now had the perfect mascot that emphasised the system's speed. Speed was the one thing that the Genesis excelled in and the SNES didn't. Sega's marketing campaigns were now all based around speed and aggressive advertising. Sonic even became the pack-in game with the console in place of Altered Beast. Sales skyrocketed.

1992-93 were Sega's best days. All their efforts and advertising had paid off. Great games were still being made and more and more third party companies were producing games for the console. The Mega CD/Sega CD had been released and so Sega were once again ahead of Nintendo technology-wise. Sega also released a Mega Drive II/Genesis II console that was smaller than the original and did not include a headphones jack or volume control. The Mega CD/Sega CD was also redesigned to fit with the new Mega Drive/Genesis, however, both versions of Mega CD/Sega CD will work on either console. It was in 1993 that Sega pulled ahead of Nintendo in the North American market share. But with all of this success, they began slacking off.

Things weren't so good by the end of 1994. Sega had not been advertising as much anymore. The Mega CD/Sega CD was not selling so well and Sega was now in debt because of it. The development and cost of producing the 32X also helped contribute to this debt. 32X was not selling well either. There were also disputes between Sega of Japan and Sega of America. All of this gave Sega a bad image to gamers and programmers. Not to mention the concern over violence in video games that had began the year before after the release of Mortal Kombat in which the Sega version was true to the arcade version, leaving all of the violence in, while the Nintendo version censored the really violent parts. Although Sega's version outsold Nintendo's 4 to 1, it was not giving Sega a good image. To try and regain respect, Sega introduced the VRC (The Videogames Rating Council), which somewhat helped, but not enough. Things kept going downhill for Sega.


恩，看看在当地经历过console war的人是怎么评论的，总比看看二道贩子的yy好些

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原帖由 马甲雷 于 2011-11-13 19:45 发表
而且你既然说没有日本市场SNES照样逆转？那不是反而说明欧美市场不具备决定性么？因为你无论先前如何加强欧美地区的工作，把装机量拉开到一个多大的距离（600万台绝壁不是一个小数目啊），最终仍无法决定你是否能取得 ...

废话，因为任天堂总体就比sega强（特别是sega的管理层，出32x之类堪称脑残），所以snes逆转了，和日本市场一毛钱关系都没有

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原帖由 马甲雷 于 2011-11-13 19:42 发表


我都已经拿过了。我既拿了SEGA MD在海外的占有率数据，又给你了它们最终销量的数据，你还想要什么？

从这些数据不能体现SFC反超MD（海外）么？

笑话，看看别人的资料吧，sega是怎么在94年开始输的，和什么日本市场有啥关系啊？

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原帖由 马甲雷 于 2011-11-13 19:56 发表
你如何知道他经历过那次争夺？

他有什么可以为自己作证的？

我还经历过那段日子呢。你经历过么？

你还经历过第三方被任天堂打断脊梁的日子呢？所以才会可笑地预测wii会占有多数第三方作品

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原帖由 马甲雷 于 2011-11-13 19:54 发表


这上面什么地方说销量对比了？

请找出来，翻译出来，我英语不好你也不是不知道，你也不会指望大家英语都那么熟练吧？

而且这个又是出本何处，其权威性有几何？

一被驳得哑口无言就拿这些东西当挡箭牌， ...

这文章说明了北美16bit争夺的成败原因，你看不惯英文不要紧，别人能看懂

行了，雷帝，我已经找到了一论文，可以blow your mind，你会发现你所有的论述全是空中楼阁，事实上连我都低估了md

http://www.netinst.org/Clements_Ohashi.pdf

看pdf25页吧，结果如何？
snes在美国败给了md