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作者: 满季包子 时间: 2023-12-14 16:07 标题: 星空设计总监Emil连发15条推怒喷：非开发者不配批评星空，开发者不应该批评星空

Emil Pagliarulo
@Dezinuh

这是他的推特号
自己去看吧，泥潭不方便发图
（1/15）Funny how disconnected some players are from the realities of game development, and yet they speak with complete authority. I mean, I can guess what it takes to make a Hostess Twinkie, but I don't work in the factory, so what the hell do I really know? Not a lot.

（2/15）Part of me really gets it. When you're a consumer and spend money on things, that gives you the right to complain about those things. I spend a LOT of money on games every year, and sometimes it takes a lot for me not to scream into the internet's collective consciousness.

（3/15）I don't complain about games on social for two main reasons: 1.) I know how hard it is to make games, and have too much respect for my fellow devs. 2.) I work for a game studio, and it would be uncool and unprofessional for me to do so. But sometimes I want to. Oh boy.

（4/15）Most people don't have these constraints, and are free to post whatever they want. The internet is a glorious wild wild west, and I wouldn't have it any other way. And there was a time when I exercised that right very freely.

（5/15）When I was writing game reviews for the Adrenaline Vault forever ago, I was absolutely that person who would say whatever I wanted about a game, good or bad. Sometimes the good was over-enthusiastically too good. And sometimes the bad was me being a sarcastic asshat.

（6/15）But throughout that time, I actually had no inkling what game development was actually like. How hard the designers, programmers, artists, producers, and everyone else worked. The struggle to bring a vision to life with constantly shifting resources. The stress.

（7/15）This isn't me complaining about my job. I've experienced all these things, and will again. It's the nature of AAA game development. But I also have a great position, and am still gainfully employed after 21+ years. A blessing considering the thousands of layoffs this year.

（8/15）I'm not trying to change anyone's mind, because the internet. But given my position, I can't not share the truth. And that truth is, nobody sets out to make a bad game. And most game devs are incredibly talented... even if the game they release isn't up to par.

（9/15）See, I never knew this before, but if nothing else, video game development is a series of concessions and tough decisions. There's that perfect game you WANT to make... and then there's the game you CAN make. Sometimes, if the gods smile on you, those two are very close.

（10/15）But in order to get there, in order to get it as close as possible to the vision, the team has to push itself harder and harder... often while dealing with devs being shuffled around (or leaving), looming deadlines, and creative decisions you wish you didn't have to make.

（11/15）And "team" is absolutely the operative word there. Lots and lots of folks doing lots of lots of work. Writing, level building, making character models, coding game systems, trying to schedule it all so it can get done and folks don't burn out, and on and on.

（12/15）So sure, you can dislike parts of a game. You can hate on a game entirely. But don't fool yourself into thinking you know why it is the way it is (unless it's somehow documented and verified), or how it got to be that way (good or bad).

（13/15）Chances are, unless you've made a game yourself, you don't know who made certain decisions; who did specific work; how many people were actually available to do that work; any time challenges faced; or how often you had to overcome technology itself (this one is HUGE).

（14/15So yes! Love games, buy them, play them, and complain to your heart's content! It's sort of the nature of the developer/player transactional relationship.

（15/15But... just know that the game you're playing is in some ways a freaking miracle in and of itself. Normal people have come together to work FOR YEARS for one goal - to bring you fun and happiness. So it helps to remember that... and them!

[ 本帖最后由满季包子于 2023-12-14 16:42 编辑 ]

作者: Zechs 时间: 2023-12-14 16:12

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确实自己做不出松鼠桂鱼的话上什么就吃什么一般消费者也配评论菜好不好吃？

作者: 物以类聚0093 时间: 2023-12-14 16:18

这整个公司的管理层的嘴怎么都这么硬啊，就不怕名声臭了的吗

作者: majian1 时间: 2023-12-14 16:22

你不是厨师你有什么资格说我做的菜难吃？你是厨师大家都是同行你为什么要说我做的菜难吃？

[ 本帖最后由 majian1 于 2023-12-14 16:42 编辑 ]

作者: 加贺 时间: 2023-12-14 16:26

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我就说不会制冷的少骂冰箱

作者: 查理王 时间: 2023-12-14 16:41

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滴水不漏，赞

作者: sxyzero 时间: 2023-12-14 16:48

看了内容，我只能说是领导不行，游戏的框架就很垃圾

作者: MG2008 时间: 2023-12-14 16:58

闭嘴不好嘛，星空就是老古董做得古董游戏。

作者: ikaruga 时间: 2023-12-14 17:13

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steam上新一波针对此言论的差评已经出现了，这团队都是弱智吗

作者: 脏小鸟 时间: 2023-12-14 17:19

发了两条引战水帖后，终于忍不住用这个号图穷匕见了？

作者: hqqttjiang 时间: 2023-12-14 17:28

这SB团队从上到下都没得救了

作者: 熊市亨利 时间: 2023-12-14 17:43

微软和B社不做公关管理的么？这么傻逼的言论随便发？

作者: 爱狮子油 时间: 2023-12-14 17:48

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说的不是可以喷但不要做无脑喷吗

作者: 3bs 时间: 2023-12-14 18:04

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笑死，拉瑞安这一个月一个大补丁的卷王还在推上承诺后续还会有新剧情更新，人比人真的没法比

作者: bazinga 时间: 2023-12-14 18:05

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原帖由 @熊市亨利于 2023-12-14 17:43 发表
微软和B社不做公关管理的么？这么傻逼的言论随便发？

不是一家人不进一家门，这两家都是一个风格，陶德经常出镜爆典不说了，菲儿斯宾塞有过之无不及

斯宾塞指责大多数游戏厂商不够大胆，经常利用十多年前的老IP

你指望游戏部门BOSS出这种巨魔言论，还谈什么危机公关？微软会觉得说的太棒了

作者: 萝卜 时间: 2023-12-14 18:35

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人家都说了，能做完就是奇迹

作者: bazinga 时间: 2023-12-14 18:36

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菜是原罪，游戏做的不行，玩家是不会跟你开发者共情的。收钱的时候来者不拒，被批评就挑剔玩家素质了，哪有那么美的事，被群嘲理所当然，全方位立体防御错都在玩家身上，哥哥都那么努力你们都没看到啊

作者: endymion 时间: 2023-12-14 18:47

好好更新，多优化优化体验，别嘴炮

作者: wts 时间: 2023-12-14 18:54

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哈哈，大嘴pete哥退休了后继有人了是吧

作者: tommyshy 时间: 2023-12-14 19:10

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这个时候他应该学会闭嘴

作者: erererr 时间: 2023-12-14 19:12

把星空俩字换成微软一样成立，真是物以类聚啊

作者: 久多良木健 时间: 2023-12-14 19:18

xi's moment 应该给他点赞

作者: GYNECOMASTiA 时间: 2023-12-14 19:37

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原帖由萝卜于 2023-12-14 18:35 发表
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人家都说了，能做完就是奇迹

产前检查出来了21三体，让人家硬是生下来也真的是奇迹

作者: 大泉凉 时间: 2023-12-14 20:20

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外行说火箭烧煤，理你他就输了
同行之间是赤裸裸的仇恨

作者: hoo26jj 时间: 2023-12-14 20:35

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太多人嫉妒俺们微软的作品了资瓷

作者: xfry 时间: 2023-12-14 22:27

标题党，发文自己都不看的？

中心思想：
1.玩家可以尽情喷游戏 complain to your heart's content!

2.只不过玩家不知道我们开发过程中遇到了什么样的困难，所以玩家喷错了方向，但具体是什么困难，只字未提

作者: weileziyuan 时间: 2023-12-14 22:38

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全世界都针对微软，委屈……

作者: 脏小鸟 时间: 2023-12-14 23:17

这人原本是媒体评论家出身，后来入行做到辐射3的首席设计师，也是老滚5的核心团队成员，他感慨这些还挺人之常情的

作者: 满季包子 时间: 2023-12-15 08:42

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原帖由 xfry 于 2023-12-14 22:27 发表
标题党，发文自己都不看的？

中心思想：
1.玩家可以尽情喷游戏 complain to your heart's content!

2.只不过玩家不知道我们开发过程中遇到了什么样的困难，所以玩家喷错了方向，但具体是什么困难，只字未提

Funny how disconnected some players are from the realities of game development, and yet they speak with complete authority. I mean, I can guess what it takes to make a Hostess Twinkie, but I don't work in the factory, so what the hell do I really know? Not a lot.第一句话就骂玩家屁都不懂了，中心思想到你这就变成玩家可以尽情喷游戏了。

难怪星空粉能把星空坚持玩下去，只要抠字眼找到任何一处，就能大肆宣传啊。
看得懂英文嘛

作者: 依然自我 时间: 2023-12-15 09:35

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原帖由 @大泉凉于 2023-12-14 08:20 PM 发表
外行说火箭烧煤，理你他就输了
同行之间是赤裸裸的仇恨

要说同行仇恨，有谁会嫉妒星空？嫉妒也是伯德3口碑销量爆炸吧，星空不过是个笑话

作者: 加贺 时间: 2023-12-15 09:38

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同行嫉妒星空喷了，这就像pc玩家用着4090嫉妒主机玩家可以选择30/60一样

作者: 满季包子 时间: 2023-12-15 09:46

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原帖由加贺于 2023-12-15 09:38 发表
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同行嫉妒星空喷了，这就像pc玩家用着4090嫉妒主机玩家可以选择30/60一样

少个45帧，过分了

作者: 萝卜 时间: 2023-12-15 09:46

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低情商：骂我们的评测都是混蛋
高情商：曾经我也是评测，我也发表了很多混蛋的言论，我很后悔

作者: link520 时间: 2023-12-15 09:53

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这公司现在都没找到星空的问题吗。。。

作者: 脏小鸟 时间: 2023-12-15 11:54

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原帖由 依然自我 于 2023-12-15 09:35 发表
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要说同行仇恨，有谁会嫉妒星空？嫉妒也是伯德3口碑销量爆炸吧，星空不过是个笑话

同行当然不会嫉妒星空，但要说同行有没有嫉妒过Emil本人？
辐射3把系列改了个底朝天，结果口碑炸裂，舆论按着所有人的头猛吹，除了当年社媒还没今天普及度高，否则阵势丝毫不亚于今天的博德吹
要再算上老滚5，那时的狂热就是仿佛魂小鬼的存在
其实他们团队到辐射4就陷于平庸了，星空达不到预期才是意料之中
只不过被群嘲成这样，就最匹配长者那句“一个人的命运……”了

作者: 我爱电玩 时间: 2023-12-15 15:55

是不是被微软收购了，不用看玩家脸色了

作者: bazinga 时间: 2023-12-16 10:52

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看到东方甄选CEO给粉丝上课的迷之操作，突然想起来B社这位

和消费者或玩家对线是大忌，即便是正确的，说的再有理，也落了下乘。

作者: weoful 时间: 2023-12-16 11:10

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