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作者: himura 时间: 2017-10-2 23:07 标题: 超任SNES Classic 皮角, dump rom相关

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https://www.psxhax.com/threads/snes-classic-edition-confirmed-hackable-with-hakchi2-by-retrogamers.2821/

While the SNES Classic Edition won't be officially released until September 29th, retrogaming hackers on Reddit already confirmed that Hakchi2 can dump / write the SNES Mini's kernel as-is meaning it's essentially as hackable as the NES Classic Edition was jailbroken earlier this year!

image: https://www.psxhax.com/styles/default/xenforo/smilies/bananaman14.gif
:bananaman14:

To quote from SpongeFreak52 on Reddit: Managed to get my Best Buy ordered SNES Mini shipped in this afternoon, so I was excited to start toying with it since it doesn't seem like others have yet.

After playing a few games, I wanted to see how it would behave when thrown at Hakchi2. To my surprise (though I guess I shouldn't have been given the hardware similarities), it CAN have its kernel dumped and re-written with it with the current version. I even threw a NES Mini kernel at it just for kicks (spoiler: nothing happens -- the power light just blinks) then reverted back to the SNES kernel with no issues.

For reference, the SNES Mini's stock kernel is 2,736,128 bytes, compared to the NES's 2,826,240 bytes.

Though I don't assume there's much else that can be done with existing tools at this point, I figured people would be interested to know that the recovery mode seems to behave the same as the NES Mini's.

UPDATE: Looks like full NAND-dumping capabilities are in working order -- a European dump has already even been confirmed bootable on an NES Mini! (credit to /u/madmonkey1907)

As a nice surprise, it looks like Nintendo fully anticipated this, and left a note for tinkerers within the NAND! Hidden within the /etc directory is a file simply named "nineties", which contains:
Read more at https://www.psxhax.com/threads/snes-classic-edition-confirmed-hackable-with-hakchi2-by-retrogamers.2821/#IWRXhySRw2uHg7gr.99

https://www.reddit.com/r/miniSNESmods/comments/72opgz/just_confirmed_that_hakchi2_can_dumpwrite_the/

Managed to get my Best Buy ordered SNES Mini shipped in this afternoon, so I was excited to start toying with it since it doesn't seem like others have yet.

After playing a few games, I wanted to see how it would behave when thrown at Hakchi2. To my surprise (though I guess I shouldn't have been given the hardware similarities), it CAN have its kernel dumped and re-written with it with the current version. I even threw a NES Mini kernel at it just for kicks (spoiler: nothing happens -- the power light just blinks) then reverted back to the SNES kernel with no issues.

For reference, the SNES Mini's stock kernel is 2,736,128 bytes, compared to the NES's 2,826,240 bytes.

Though I don't assume there's much else that can be done with existing tools at this point, I figured people would be interested to know that the recovery mode seems to behave the same as the NES Mini's.

UPDATE: Looks like full NAND-dumping capabilities are in working order -- a European dump has already even been confirmed bootable on an NES Mini! (credit to /u/madmonkey1907)

As a nice surprise, it looks like Nintendo fully anticipated this, and left a note for tinkerers within the NAND! Hidden within the /etc directory is a file simply named "nineties", which contains:

Enjoy this Mini,
Disconnect from the present, and
Go back to the nineties.

PS: Thank you guys for the gold! Be sure to send some towards those who actually know what they're doing with this thing though!

更新有土鳖教程
貌似此人已经成功了
皮角. 添加rom的方法在此

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CJ3_1zFX6mU

本帖最后由 himura 于 2017-10-8 05:02 通过手机版编辑

作者: Nemo_theCaptain 时间: 2017-10-2 23:22

已经有人把星际火狐2的ROM给Dump出来烧录成实体卡带卖钱了

作者: patches 时间: 2017-10-2 23:59

这种屎3D也有人买吗

作者: NintendoVii 时间: 2017-10-3 00:54

posted by wap, platform: Android
到底怎么加游戏。。。

作者: shigeru 时间: 2017-10-3 07:25

posted by wap, platform: 小米红米 NOTE
能把sfc和fc的ROM加到一台机器上吗

作者: SHIPDS 时间: 2017-10-3 11:36

再等等软件已经在更新了
One more step to SNES Mini, separate configs
估计快要出了

作者: 野生的任豚 时间: 2017-10-3 12:01

posted by wap, platform: iPhone
等火狐rom

作者: 真忘私绵 时间: 2017-10-3 12:03

posted by wap, platform: iPhone
马克思

作者: jahaman 时间: 2017-10-3 12:09

火狐2的rom我记得很久前sfc rom 合集就有
当时还以为是同人的

作者: Nemo_theCaptain 时间: 2017-10-3 12:35

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原帖由 jahaman 于 2017-10-3 12:09 发表
火狐2的rom我记得很久前sfc rom 合集就有
当时还以为是同人的

不是同人，但是泄漏的alpha版，这次是经过完整debug的完成品

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原帖由 shigeru 于 2017-10-3 07:25 发表
posted by wap, platform: 小米红米 NOTE
能把sfc和fc的ROM加到一台机器上吗

理论上是可以的，因为mini fc和mini sfc的内部硬件其实是完全相同的

作者: 67520 时间: 2017-10-3 14:28

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原帖由 Nemo_theCaptain 于 2017-10-2 23:22 发表
已经有人把星际火狐2的ROM给Dump出来烧录成实体卡带卖钱了

几年前马云家就有星际火狐2的卡带卖

作者: 真忘私绵 时间: 2017-10-3 18:14

posted by wap, platform: iPhone
fc斜向太烂了不知道sfc如何

作者: himura 时间: 2017-10-8 04:20

posted by wap, platform: Android
皮角. 添加rom的方法在此

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CJ3_1zFX6mU

https://youtu.be/bVWcfzzU-4A

本帖最后由 himura 于 2017-10-8 05:13 通过手机版编辑

作者: grammyliu 时间: 2017-10-8 05:59

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好像最多只能存30个游戏，而且重新刷机需要先复位机器，存档是个问题。

本帖最后由 grammyliu 于 2017-10-8 08:15 通过手机版编辑

作者: 蓝天 时间: 2017-10-8 07:40

posted by wap, platform: Android
什么时候出一个全模拟器完美运行的游戏机就好了

作者: chuchuchu 时间: 2017-10-8 09:24

posted by wap, platform: Android
老外评测了，和实机相比还是存在细微差异

本帖最后由 chuchuchu 于 2017-10-8 09:25 通过手机版编辑

作者: xiaogao 时间: 2017-10-8 10:38

https://github.com/ClusterM/hakchi2/releases/tag/2.20
出了

作者: 香吉士 时间: 2017-10-8 15:32

posted by wap, platform: iPhone
马克一下

作者: Nemo_theCaptain 时间: 2017-10-8 15:37

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=1444556
战区有人说模拟代码直接用的Snes9X，但看这个兼容性列表不像啊

作者: lencil 时间: 2017-10-9 12:16

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原帖由 @Nemo_theCaptain 于 2017-10-8 15:37 发表
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=1444556
战区有人说模拟代码直接用的Snes9X，但看这个兼容性列表不像啊

绝不可能，snes9x的源码协议明确禁止商业用途。除非任天堂想吃官司。
模拟器开发没坊间认为的那么难，坊间开发的难度在于硬件资料不全，需要逆向去猜。这对于商业公司都不是事。

作者: lyt777 时间: 2017-10-9 12:21

SNES9X的话那就没什么价值了，HIGAN代码精确性早几年就秒了SNES9X几个来回了。

作者: Nemo_theCaptain 时间: 2017-10-9 14:56

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原帖由 lyt777 于 2017-10-9 12:21 发表
SNES9X的话那就没什么价值了，HIGAN代码精确性早几年就秒了SNES9X几个来回了。

用Snes9X不是我说的，是战区别的人说的，DF Retro则表示和FC Mini一样是欧洲任天堂自己研发的模拟器
不管用什么，SFC Mini的精确度肯定是要被HIGAN秒的，连魂斗罗3这么大众的游戏都有问题，就更不用提其他的了
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nOObbaqOaUQ

[ 本帖最后由 Nemo_theCaptain 于 2017-10-9 14:58 编辑 ]

作者: 鬼冢英吉 时间: 2017-10-9 20:08

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原帖由 @lencil 于 2017-10-9 12:16 发表
绝不可能，snes9x的源码协议明确禁止商业用途。除非任天堂想吃官司。
模拟器开发没坊间认为的那么难，坊间开发的难度在于硬件资料不全，需要逆向去猜。这对于商业公司都不是事。

卧槽模拟器告原厂侵权？

作者: alexey 时间: 2017-10-9 20:20

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原帖由 Nemo_theCaptain 于 2017-10-9 14:56 发表

用Snes9X不是我说的，是战区别的人说的，DF Retro则表示和FC Mini一样是欧洲任天堂自己研发的模拟器
不管用什么，SFC Mini的精确度肯定是要被HIGAN秒的，连魂斗罗3这么大众的游戏都有问题，就更不用提其他的了
h ...

果然又是一个和MiniFC一样的垃圾。不出所料。

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