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作者: himura 时间: 2015-3-7 04:27 标题: Order 1886 在洋大人新闻站也掀起了游戏价格的大讨论

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Order 1886 在洋大人新闻站也掀起了游戏价格的大讨论
很多人说只能玩6小时的游戏, 卖70刀实在太贵
http://www.cbc.ca/news/technolog ... ames-cost-1.2981614
然后说作为对比, 龙腾世纪能玩40-80小时,
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The Order: 1886 - How much should new video games cost?
New blockbuster video games cost $70  , whether they last 10 hours or 100

Ready At Dawn's new game The Order: 1886 attracted criticism when a leaked video showed it being completed in 5 1/2 hours.



External Links

The Order: 1886 reviews on Metacritic
The Consumerist: Why All Video Games Are Always The Same Price

The Order: 1886, the latest big-budget video game for the PlayStation 4, has had a rough time under gamers' and critics' microscopes, with some saying it's too short an experience for too high a price tag.

It has fuelled a debate over the price of video games, and how much bang gamers are getting for their buck.

The Order, developed by the studio Ready at Dawn and available for Sony's PlayStation 4 console, takes place in a fictionalized version of England during the Industrial Revolution. You play as Sir Galahad, a member of an order of knights tasked to defend the populace from werewolf-like monsters.

Before the game hit stores, a YouTube channel leaked a playthrough online, completing it in a little less than 5 1/2 hours. The videos have since been removed from YouTube. Most critics and reviewers said it takes around six to eight hours to finish the game the first time through.

Made-in-Canada video games to watch for in 2015

Many of the most highly promoted games can take much longer. Dragon Age: Inquisition, by Edmonton's Bioware, takes at least 40 hours to play through the main storyline and upwards of 80 in order to see and do everything its massive world has to offer.
The Order: 1886 screenshot 02

The Order aims for a seamlessly cinematic experience, including a letterbox presentation that some gamers called restrictive and unnecessary. (Ready At Dawn/PlayStation)

Both sell for $59.99 as a digital download and $69.99 in stores.

Speaking to video games site Eurogamer, Ready at Dawn's CEO Ru Weerasuriya argued that it was a matter of quality, not quantity that makes The Order worth its ticket price.

Ready at Dawn's founder and CTO Andrea Pessino was less diplomatic on Twitter, writing, "I am done commenting on clickbait rumors about game length, 'downgrade' idiocy and such nonsense. Don't bother asking."
Publishers set the price

But if these games' experiences are so wildly different, why do they all cost the same?

The  $60 to $70 price tag of new games theoretically makes the question stickier than other forms of entertainment. After all, new novels or movies at the theatre generally sell for a flat rate of $20 to $30 – a little more for the 3D glasses and popcorn in the theatre, a little less for a novel's paperback edition. New games go for at least twice that.
The Order: 1886 screenshot 01

The Order: 1886, like most new console games, costs $70 in Canada. (Ready At Dawn/PlayStation)

According to a report by Consumerist last year, games publishers such as Electronic Arts, Sony or Microsoft set the price of all new games at $60. Retailers have little recourse but to agree.

"Stores that choose not to abide by the price agreement quickly find themselves out of favour with the publisher for future shipments," writes Consumerist's Kate Cox, adding that the price doesn't actually give retailers a large cut. For this reason, games retailer EB Games makes close to half of its profits from used game sales.
Gamers want 'hours per dollar'

Game length has long been a point of scrutiny by a portion of hardcore gamers who search for the perfect hours-per-dollar ratio.

One site, howlongtobeat.com, crowdsources players' play time with the game, crunching the numbers to show the average number of hours players take to finish them. So far, responses for The Order clock it at an average of 7 1/2 hours.

Video games and tech analyst Brian Blau notes that gamers and games critics tend to factor in the price of the game more than in other entertainment products or media. "Sometimes a few voices are very loud in the [gaming] community, and that's not necessarily representative of the overall customer base," he told CBC News.
Dragon Age Inquisition Cassandra

Bioware's Dragon Age: Inquisition can last 80 hours or more, compared to The Order's 6 to 8. But both retail for $70. (Bioware)

But it has, in a strange way, become a point of pride for gamers:

"If there's an expectation set in the industry that there's a simple equation that 40 hours equals $60, then on a per-hour basis it's way less expensive than a movie," he says.
Mixed reception for The Order

Reviews for The Order are all over the map. Metacritic, a site that aggregates review scores for games, movies and albums, lists scores for the game ranging from 95 to 20 out of 100. For many, the relatively short length of the experience was a point against it.

"I applaud the developers for not tacking a throwaway multiplayer component onto The Order: 1886, but at the same time there's virtually no reason to play the game again when it's over," writes the Toronto Sun's Steve Tilley.

The debate can distract from what's actually in the game, though, argues the National Post's Patrick O'Rourke, who rated The Order 7.5 out of 10.

"Yes, it is important, but there's an awesome experience in The Order that a lot of people are going to miss because they're too worried about how long the game is," O'Rourke says.

Games' lengths, along with the price, often take centre stage in games reviews, which straddle the line between reviews for the arts like books or theatre, and technically focused electronics. Owing to the latter's sensibilities, a game's graphics, sound quality, and resolution often factor heavily into final scores.

It's a consideration that CBC Books columnist Becky Toyne says is "completely separate" from most novel reviews. "People rarely even comment on the cover design or the production value of the book. You're just reviewing the actual content."

Wherever this debate about games' price versus its content, however, it's likely to only get worse, especially in Canada: several high-profile games slated for release later this year, including Metal Gear Solid V, are currently listed for pre-order on EB Games' site at $74.99.

[ 本帖最后由 himura 于 2015-3-7 11:14 编辑 ]

作者: grammyliu 时间: 2015-3-7 05:03

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最新蓝光电影20-25刀，最新唱片CD15刀以内，黑胶20-30刀，电影院看电影早场10刀左右，其他场次15刀左右。游戏60刀一张，你感受下。:D

作者: himura 时间: 2015-3-7 05:20

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原帖由 @grammyliu 于 2015-3-7 05:03 发表
最新蓝光电影2025刀，最新唱片CD15刀以内，黑胶2030刀，电影院看电影早场10刀左右，其他场次15刀左右。游戏60刀一张，你感受下。:D

这样比的话好像也不算贵
某BD电影能看2小时, 卖20
某游戏能玩6小时, 卖60.

作者: 鬼冢英吉 时间: 2015-3-7 05:59

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这么屌丝的娱乐方式还嫌贵，撸管便宜，不花钱

作者: snakelee7 时间: 2015-3-7 08:50

刚下了制品版，看看画面，拿拿白金，这游戏还是可以的

作者: zhouchuenan 时间: 2015-3-7 09:50

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6小时之后出2手呗。

作者: dog 时间: 2015-3-7 09:57

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洋大人太穷没红酒喝所以才有这么多抱怨

作者: 上海狗狗 时间: 2015-3-7 09:58

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谁有二手给我呗

作者: kingcrimson 时间: 2015-3-7 10:52

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确实贵了点儿

作者: zmqzmqzmq 时间: 2015-3-7 10:56

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猎人哭晕在厕所

作者: babylover 时间: 2015-3-7 11:06

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垃圾游戏

作者: aironline 时间: 2015-3-7 11:11

关键是这游戏还没几个人要卖二手呢。我过完年这段时间GTA5都收了2张了，1886一张没收到过。

作者: Xcross 时间: 2015-3-7 11:14

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这肯定都在等dlc啊

作者: 五角星 时间: 2015-3-7 11:45

港服会员优惠才315港币……

作者: 小蛋蛋 时间: 2015-3-7 11:49

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这种游戏连二手都卖不出去

作者: panzerbanana 时间: 2015-3-7 11:49

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喵了个咪！谁说的最终Boss能打8分钟的？打到那儿的时候我还说短就短点吧，起码还有8分钟的最长QTE，结果打了三分钟左右就没了啊～

作者: 永恒蔚蓝 时间: 2015-3-7 12:49

出个毛，坐等DLC

作者: elia 时间: 2015-3-7 13:34

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那老滚应该卖10000？

作者: 倍舒爽 时间: 2015-3-7 13:38

所以说是夕阳产业真没错。。
侍候的全是大爷。。
dnf免费，能玩到地球毁灭，玩去吧！

作者: 上海狗狗 时间: 2015-3-8 11:49

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原帖由 @五角星于 2015-3-7 11:45 发表
港服会员优惠才315港币……

啥时候？我现在去看还是350

作者: 超越神的牛肉人 时间: 2015-3-8 11:56

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原帖由 倍舒爽 于 2015-3-7 13:38 发表
所以说是夕阳产业真没错。。
侍候的全是大爷。。
dnf免费，能玩到地球毁灭，玩去吧！

这烂怂让人舒心玩个2小时都不够啊
基本上射个5分钟10分钟就开始播片要么走路
播片还好了，走路最难受，节奏又慢又不能跳，当然播片也不让跳
我觉得这不是别人大爷，这是你自干五啊

作者: 上海狗狗 时间: 2015-3-8 11:56

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由2015年2月20日起至3月5日，所有于PlayStationStore购买《The Order: 1886》的PS Plus会员均可享9折优惠。

错过了233

作者: scalper 时间: 2015-3-8 11:58

所以大家都争做手游大厂了

作者: thetable 时间: 2015-3-8 12:02

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看看有多少洗地的认为走走路摸摸苹果跟看电影一样精彩

作者: west2046 时间: 2015-3-8 12:04

20刀合适

作者: 白死之二 时间: 2015-3-8 12:25

这是很好的展示游戏，亲戚朋友到家玩，展示一下1886的画面，倍儿有面子，当然不会卖了！

作者: linchen0_0 时间: 2015-3-8 14:26

互动电影能玩6小时卖70确实贵了，30美元好价！

作者: s7912 时间: 2015-3-8 14:35

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原帖由 himura 于 2015-3-7 05:20 发表
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这样比的话好像也不算贵
某BD电影能看2小时, 卖20
某游戏能玩6小时, 卖60.

卖60的魔戒3部曲让我感受到壮大的世界观跟完整的故事
请问拨号1886有吗?

作者: 秃猫 时间: 2015-3-8 14:52

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原帖由 @上海狗狗于 2015-3-7 09:58 发表
谁有二手给我呗

等我通关，现在第四章中。

作者: grammyliu 时间: 2015-3-8 15:03

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原帖由 @s7912 于 2015-3-7 10:35 PM 发表
卖60的魔戒3部曲让我感受到壮大的世界观跟完整的故事
请问拨号1886有吗?

指环王蓝光字幕好操蛋，利用了黑边，21:9显示的话字幕显示不全。

作者: tianshicon 时间: 2015-3-8 15:16

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原帖由 @白死之二于 2015-3-8 12:25 发表
这是很好的展示游戏，亲戚朋友到家玩，展示一下1886的画面，倍儿有面子，当然不会卖了！

给亲戚朋友展示游戏来充面子
这逻辑我便是理解不了啊

作者: ns2014 时间: 2015-3-8 15:31

这和时间关系不大，主要看游戏品质

作者: yyahtt 时间: 2015-3-8 16:53

这个游戏感觉就是晒技术的..

作者: 上海狗狗 时间: 2015-3-9 01:12

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原帖由 @秃猫于 2015-3-8 14:52 发表
等我通关，现在第四章中。

已买数字版...

作者: j2j 时间: 2015-3-9 01:16

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有没有觉得这游戏玩久了晕的？不知道什么原因

作者: zhaolinjia 时间: 2015-3-9 01:17

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70美元看六小时电影？醉了！

作者: 白死之二 时间: 2015-3-9 01:33

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原帖由 tianshicon 于 2015-3-8 15:16 发表
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给亲戚朋友展示游戏来充面子
这逻辑我便是理解不了啊

这只能说明你没童年而且没有幽默感，完。

作者: shinsuke 时间: 2015-3-9 02:20

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游戏还是要好玩才行，互动电影另说

作者: 灌水马甲 时间: 2015-3-9 10:05

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有没有觉得这游戏玩久了晕的？不知道什么原因

帧数不够，画面风格也是毁眼型的，又灰又雾，一动一战斗还糊。

作者: 灌水马甲 时间: 2015-3-9 10:09

说这游戏画面展示有面子的，至少我家不玩游戏的几位都觉得这游戏画面不怎么样，除了有些人物感觉挺精致，到是驾驶俱乐部基本都觉得画面很漂亮。

作者: 超越神的牛肉人 时间: 2015-3-9 10:25

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原帖由 j2j 于 2015-3-9 01:16 发表
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有没有觉得这游戏玩久了晕的？不知道什么原因

因为，够糊

作者: himura 时间: 2015-3-9 10:59

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原帖由 zhaolinjia 于 2015-3-9 01:17 发表
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70美元看六小时电影？醉了！

想想哈利波特12345...合集, 暮光之城12345...合集, 小矮人霍比特人123...合集
http://www.amazon.com/Twilight-F ... p;keywords=twilight
几部加起来就是6,7,8小时, 买几个碟或者合集就是$6,7,8十元...
没什么醉不醉的, 普通行情价吧.

我没看过, 1886也没玩过...只是纯对比.
那几个电影要说有多好看, 好像也不见得, :D
【剧透醒目】四分钟看完暮光之城，九分钟看完哈利波特，3分钟看完美国狙击手
http://club.tgfcer.com/thread-7065627-1-3.html

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作者: kingcrimson 时间: 2015-3-9 11:05

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原帖由 @小蛋蛋于 2015-3-7 11:49 发表
这种游戏连二手都卖不出去

恰好相反，这游戏2手太俏了。

前两天我280收了个，玩了3天原价挂出去，结果一天来了20多个人问，而且都是饥不择食的那种类型。估计挂290都有人要。

作者: 超越神的牛肉人 时间: 2015-3-9 11:13

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原帖由 himura 于 2015-3-9 10:59 发表

想想哈利波特12345...合集, 暮光之城12345...合集, 小矮人霍比特人123...合集
http://www.amazon.com/Twilight-F ... id=1425869629&s ...

10086剧情挺傻逼的，水平堪比抗日神剧编剧，剧情全是洞，演出全是特写，打着打着我以为我在看国产老电影

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