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作者: allensakura    时间: 2015-2-16 17:41     标题: 1886最终BOSS战,8分钟的QTE

洋大人纷纷表示这是一陀屎

[ 本帖最后由 allensakura 于 2015-2-16 17:44 编辑 ]
作者: yy1988513    时间: 2015-2-16 17:47

整个人都qte了
作者: dennis234    时间: 2015-2-16 17:48

温馨感人
作者: 小蛋蛋    时间: 2015-2-16 17:49

posted by wap, platform: Samsung
索青还嘲笑别人是拨号之子 呵呵   这所谓的独占大作里 打斗的地方全tm是Qte   实在是登峰造极 满满的游戏性

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作者: 江南馄饨    时间: 2015-2-16 18:05

posted by wap, platform: SONY Z1
很多人还没玩到游戏,你标题就这样剧透是不是脑子有问题?
作者: littlezoo    时间: 2015-2-16 18:05

这下有对手了,两边都是独占最好的画面,两边也都是拨号游戏。
拨号侄子 VS 请拨电话1886
炸裂!!!
作者: fjfyla    时间: 2015-2-16 18:07

posted by wap, platform: Galaxy Note III
拨号1886喷了
作者: 超越仙的石头人    时间: 2015-2-16 18:10

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原帖由 江南馄饨 于 2015-2-16 18:05 发表
posted by wap, platform: SONY Z1
很多人还没玩到游戏,你标题就这样剧透是不是脑子有问题?
什么?说下终战的方式都不行了?应该让大家买完了,打五小时之后来个"SURPRISE!哎吗怎么全是QTE?"才对?
作者: quki    时间: 2015-2-16 18:13

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原帖由 littlezoo 于 2015-2-16 18:05 发表
这下有对手了,两边都是独占最好的画面,两边也都是拨号游戏。
拨号侄子 VS 请拨电话1886
炸裂!!!
游戏性还是侄子好,高难度拨号可以取消!TG核心玩家发帖讲述过高难度炸裂手感与游戏性!

1886一周目白金!任意难度白金!武器无升级!二周目过场不能跳过!大法乙烷!
作者: 伪装同学丶    时间: 2015-2-16 18:14

如何保证这些回复的人不是软饭?
作者: 超越仙的石头人    时间: 2015-2-16 18:23

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原帖由 伪装同学丶 于 2015-2-16 18:14 发表
如何保证这些回复的人不是软饭?
没法保证的,因此他们全是软饭咯?我来把所有评论挨个发过来,请劳驾告诉我哪个不是软饭,谢谢。


FlameBringer84 13 minutes ago
"Final Boss Fight & Final Cutscene"

All I saw was a cutscene.
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SamuelNiemirycz 39 minutes ago
Press F to kill the boss
  
alex boxer 49 minutes ago
Price for this 9.99£
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Bryan Manning 1 hour ago
I can't wait...to not buy this!
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tenchimod 1 hour ago
Pretty game, but horrible voiceacting and gameplay.  Protip: Video games are not movies.  Don't try to make them like a blockbuster, it never works out.
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MrFelix656 1 hour ago
So when is NeoGAF going to choke on all the shit they like to eat?
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URreadingmyaccname 1 hour ago
This is not a game.

This is something else.

Something foul.
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SerjFanboy 1 hour ago
But the question is when can we get it on Netflix?
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I Am Groot 2 hours ago
What a damn shame. One of the first AAA games out the door for this year and it falls flat on its ass. Ready yourself for another spiraling year of disappoint.
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ut2k4wikichici 2 hours ago
oh dear 5 hours of NOGAMEplay to get to this typical betrayal brother bulslhit
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MrJbedo 2 hours ago
what a shitty game
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BAKA BK 2 hours ago
video games
  
elkuronense 2 hours ago
Fuck this game!!!! A full ending battle based on freaking QTE? Who made this horrible idea? I hate the final bosses when is unfair, but this is so fucking easy and lame. An horrible finale, rip-off MGS 3, unclimatic final boss battle with an horrible ending. So lame with decent graphics (THERE ARE TWO BLACK BARS UPSIDE AND DOWNSIDE THE SCREEN), 30fps, QTE. Ridiculous INVISIBLE WALLLS!!!! Not worth my money and the money of the gamer comunity, unless you are a Sony-fanboy butthurted because ther is not a single exclusive whom deserve be buy.
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Nikolay Semin 2 hours ago
After crap like that I started appreciating good old COD and AC
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hicthcock100 2 hours ago
Man, is it really this? The final boss is a bunch of Quick-time-events?
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darklink1017 2 hours ago
Ocarina of Time back on the Nintendo 64 had a more epic final battle, and this was back in 1997.  This is just pitiful shit.
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Darkice Presents 2 hours ago
1 thing for sure . i won't be getting this . thanks
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nabor605 2 hours ago
Let's be honest though, this ending boss is better than Yoshi's New Island....right?
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nabor605 3 hours ago
Just skipped to the end, really don't want to spoil much of the plot, but I immediately am reminded of MGS3's ending with The Boss.  Of course that game then had another ~40 minutes of pretty great plot/storyline after that boss battle.
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IEnjoyBeingNaked 3 hours ago
SHADOWS OF MORDOR
HALO 4
DYING LIGHT

WHOEVER KEEPS MAKING THESE QTE FINAL BOSSES NEEDS TO BE FIRED AND BLACKLISTED FROM THE INDUSTRY. THEY NEED TO BE BRANDED AS CANCERS OF THE MEDIUM AND MUST BE FOREVER SHAMED. THEY SHALL SERVE NO OTHER PURPOSE FOR THE REST OF THEIR LIFE OTHER THEN TO BE A REMINDER FOR ALL OTHERS IN THE INDUSTRY THAT QTE FINAL BOSSES ARE WORSE THAN UNDERWATER ESCORT MISSIONS.
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nabor605 3 hours ago
Just wow at the constant QTE...with the slowdown prompt moments, do you have a lot of time to react to them, or are they at least more like God of War's timing?  Looks to be more like GoW meets Beyond Two Souls (not a good combo imo)
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TeKnoVKNG23 3 hours ago
The only good thing to come out of this is that we will get an amazing Angry Joe review, lol
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OMGDUDEWTH 3 hours ago
this makes for perfect renting material. do keep making these games so i can more or less occupy myself till the next release however short the game might be.
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ActivesiN Gaming 3 hours ago
hmm were there more quick time events or pores on his face
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Advancedwarfaregamerman 4 hours ago
But yes, I am surprised at the amount of gameplay compared to the cinematics... shameU0001f620
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Advancedwarfaregamerman 4 hours ago
Even though I've been spoiled, I've still gotta try this for myselfU0001f631U0001f631
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Advancedwarfaregamerman 4 hours ago
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RadassBadass 4 hours ago
Does this game even have music? I didn't hear a single piece of music while clicking random vids in the playlist.
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insrtcowjoke 4 hours ago
I, for one, am tired of games that tell me what I need to do and when to do it all the time. As someone that's played video games through the years, I remember fondly games like Mega Man, where you had to figure out for yourself how to play and what the dangers were - not having your hand held and told what to press, when to press it, who to press it against, how often to press it, where to go, how to go there, what to avoid while you go there, etc etc. Games have become so dumbed down today that they're hardly any fun anymore. I liked it better back before they treated gamers like they were all no smarter than 4 year olds.
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Pablo Sabater 4 hours ago
The problem here is simple, they have misunderstood the definition of playing, they want us to PLAY a movie in our PS4 but we want to PLAY a game.
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TreasureBoxReviews 4 hours ago (edited)
Wow, it's rare that my low expectations for something end up being far too high. So sick of developers and publishers bragging about releasing new ip when all they're doing is cobbling together concepts from the last generation and poorly implementing them. I've never regretted buying into new consoles more than I have now.
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TreasureBoxReviews 2 hours ago
+nabor605 Same.
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elkuronense 2 hours ago
I prefer Call of Duty 27: Ultra Moderm Futurist War Game part III or Super Mario 32 because they're GAMES. The developers don't lie about Mario or CoD, the developers of good games don't lie about your game, they SHOW gameplay. The Order has been beaten in about 6 hours, half of them are QTE or cinematics, CoD or Mario have thousands of pure gameplay and fun. If they made a new IP, first of all the gameplay has been solid like a rock, then anything else.
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Bringthewinter 5 hours ago
Developers have become the new generation of used car salesmen. They sell you a Ferrari, but it has the engine of a Volvo.
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Jo Ko 5 hours ago
wat a crock of shit
fuck me there's no saving this industry
burn it to the ground
im going back to my emulator wake me up when it's over
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Friendly Dad Actual 6 hours ago
ART
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TheLegend1245 6 hours ago
not worthy to be called a boss battle when there isn't much to do.
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Exposed_TitanZ 7 hours ago
Its pretty funny to think that people are bashing this because of short story and quick time events while RYSE SON OF ROME had quick time events and a story that was 6-7 hours and everyone enjoyed it. People are pathetic.
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Robert Douglas 1 hour ago
Ryse has a multiplayer mode. And it was at least DIFFERENT. this is just another on the rails shooter. Plus Ryse wasnt over 50% cutscenes. Course i only payed like 10 bucks for Ryse on steam. I'll probably do the same with this one.
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JarvisTheGreat1 7 hours ago
Terrible movie.
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marc Berry 7 hours ago
After all that BITCHING about QTE in RYSE and this is what you get more QTE.
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Андрей Новиков 7 hours ago
ha-ha! a great amount of pain in the comments!
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heyheythrowaway 7 hours ago
WHERE'S THE GAMEPLAY??? DEAR GOD, WHERE IS THE GAMEPLAY?!?!?!
I'm getting real sick of these hollywood rejects making movie games.
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jues soajd 7 hours ago
WTF?! From Chapter 3 it jump to Chapter 16?
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desupocalypse 7 hours ago
•"you and I, we are not that different"
•disarms you, then tries to finish you with a knife like in the cheesy "Commando" movie from the 90's
•QTE "fight" with helpful hints on the screen at all times
•"no he is my son I can't kill him"
•MGS3 execution rip off
•fades to black and ends with no closure

This is the most hackneyed, clichéd, pretentious, overdone, and underwhelming thing I've seen in a while.  I can't wait for IGN or Polygon to tell me how fun this "game" is.
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BrainSeepsOut 7 hours ago
Polygon will tell you that the game is exploiting Indians for entertainment.
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sheldon mann 7 hours ago
this game is......kinda bad
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BrainSeepsOut 7 hours ago
What the fuck? Did they run out of money or something? Its like there's another act they completely cut out. That and the writing goes to shit... "You and I are not so different, perhaps one day you might understand" ffs. Waste of talent. I wish devs would stop making IPs with the immediate expectation that they can make them into long running franchises.
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norman edwards 8 hours ago
lol this movie was great but wheres the game? lmao! good grief ready at dawn
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xTechnoViking 8 hours ago
So, when's it out in theatres?
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Desmight 8 hours ago
This "game" looks exactly like a piece of shit, even as a movie.
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作者: 小蛋蛋    时间: 2015-2-16 18:57

posted by wap, platform: Samsung
嗯 说不好的都是软饭  这游戏就是好 就是炸裂  最终战满满的游戏性  不愧是终极一战
作者: 右舷炮击手    时间: 2015-2-16 18:59

posted by wap, platform: 华为
好消息不断
作者: 伪装同学丶    时间: 2015-2-16 18:59

引用:
原帖由 超越仙的石头人 于 2015-2-16 18:23 发表


没法保证的,因此他们全是软饭咯?我来把所有评论挨个发过来,请劳驾告诉我哪个不是软饭,谢谢。


FlameBringer84 13 minutes ago
"Final Boss Fight & Final Cutscene"

All I saw was a cutscene.
  ...
这些言论就跟我妈抱怨朋克和摇滚一样,根本不能拿来做参考。
作者: thetable    时间: 2015-2-16 19:00

引用:
原帖由 小蛋蛋 于 2015-2-16 18:57 发表
posted by wap, platform: Samsung
嗯 说不好的都是软饭  这游戏就是好 就是炸裂  最终战满满的游戏性  不愧是终极一战
我一眼就看穿你肯定在酸,自觉点赶紧呕一麻袋胃酸出来自己扣头上
作者: 海腹川背    时间: 2015-2-16 19:02

又是电影,索尼啥时候做个游戏给我玩玩?
作者: king8910213    时间: 2015-2-16 19:03

最可怕的是已经有人开说这游戏剧本和演出上有很多问题了,如果两边都站不住。。。。
这游戏review到时候绝对群魔乱舞,还是靠下个月BB救场吧
作者: quki    时间: 2015-2-16 19:04

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原帖由 king8910213 于 2015-2-16 19:03 发表
最可怕的是已经有人开说这游戏剧本和演出上有很多问题了,如果两边都站不住。。。。
这游戏review到时候绝对群魔乱舞,还是靠下个月BB救场吧
有次时代第一画面兜底,帧数稳定,就算可玩度还不如DC,评分有6应该也没问题
作者: pussyhead    时间: 2015-2-16 19:06

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原帖由 quki 于 2015-2-16 19:04 发表

有次时代第一画面兜底,帧数稳定,就算可玩度还不如DC,评分有6应该也没问题
那不是和罗马之子一样,一个拨号之子,一个拨号1886,简直神了。
作者: darkgame    时间: 2015-2-16 19:09

posted by wap, platform: SONY Z1
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原帖由 @pussyhead  于 2015-2-16 19:06 发表
那不是和罗马之子一样,一个拨号之子,一个拨号1886,简直神了。
干脆叫10086得了
作者: 小蛋蛋    时间: 2015-2-16 19:09

posted by wap, platform: Samsung
次时代第一画面喷了
作者: LionHeart    时间: 2015-2-16 19:10

posted by wap, platform: SONY Xperia Z
不看好这个游戏,不过说神海和tlo是电影就傻逼了点
作者: quki    时间: 2015-2-16 19:15

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原帖由 小蛋蛋 于 2015-2-16 19:09 发表
posted by wap, platform: Samsung
次时代第一画面喷了
目前来说就是次时代第一啊

侄子被叉丸技能拖累,日落过载是风格化作品,DC没有下雨分分钟变GT5,只能怪对手都太不能打
作者: LionHeart    时间: 2015-2-16 19:16

posted by wap, platform: SONY Xperia Z
ps360时代第一画面是哪个呢
作者: u571    时间: 2015-2-16 19:17

次时代第一喷了,你们还是加上“次时代游戏机”前缀把
作者: littlezoo    时间: 2015-2-16 19:17

侄子PC爹爹版画面都打不过1886
作者: LionHeart    时间: 2015-2-16 19:17

posted by wap, platform: SONY Xperia Z
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原帖由 @u571  于 2015-2-16 19:17 发表
次时代第一喷了,你们还是加上“次时代游戏机”前缀把
pc也有次世代的说法?
作者: 资深小白    时间: 2015-2-16 19:22

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原帖由 海腹川背 于 2015-2-16 19:02 发表
又是电影,索尼啥时候做个游戏给我玩玩?
枪枪枪才算游戏?
作者: u571    时间: 2015-2-16 19:24

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原帖由 LionHeart 于 2015-2-16 19:17 发表
posted by wap, platform: SONY Xperia Z
pc也有次世代的说法?
放在PC上这画面也敢叫第一?所以叫你们加上游戏机的前缀
作者: LionHeart    时间: 2015-2-16 19:26

posted by wap, platform: SONY Xperia Z
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原帖由 @海腹川背  于 2015-2-16 19:02 发表
又是电影,索尼啥时候做个游戏给我玩玩?
你一定要咬死tlou神海是电影的话,可以玩玩gt大众高尔夫小小大星球什么的,绝逼不是电影
作者: 小蛋蛋    时间: 2015-2-16 19:30

posted by wap, platform: Samsung
索青硬要说这是次时代第一画面 那也请在前面加上游戏机 谢谢    并且要记住 这游戏不是1080P
作者: LionHeart    时间: 2015-2-16 19:33

posted by wap, platform: SONY Xperia Z
人家说的次世代就是指游戏机啊,pc什么时候有次世代的说法,各位不要激动啊
作者: dog    时间: 2015-2-16 20:28

posted by wap, platform: iPhone
10086 喷了
作者: nage540    时间: 2015-2-16 20:43

画面还是很屌的,可以买来玩玩,一遍通了立马卖掉,索尼多为我们着想。
作者: quki    时间: 2015-2-16 20:47

是忘说家用机了233,但PC也没次世代的说法啊。

上世代的第一当然是C3

”上世代第一“与次世代第一”并不冲突好吧,而且

“次世代前期第一未必比上世代第一好”
作者: liu2596960    时间: 2015-2-16 20:49

这游戏  确定是玩的???????

、暴死预定
作者: -_-|||    时间: 2015-2-16 20:51

posted by wap, platform: iPhone
10086 2333
老外吐槽Start playing at midnight. Ready at dawn也很233
作者: 石指圣    时间: 2015-2-16 21:27

posted by wap, platform: Nokia Lumia 1520
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原帖由 @伪装同学丶  于 16/2/2015 20:59 发表
这些言论就跟我妈抱怨朋克和摇滚一样,根本不能拿来做参考。
我妈blahblahblah 看你id里的符号 您贵庚?
作者: 伪装同学丶    时间: 2015-2-16 21:38

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原帖由 石指圣 于 2015-2-16 21:27 发表
posted by wap, platform: Nokia Lumia 1520
我妈blahblahblah 看你id里的符号 您贵庚?
13岁
作者: 鬼冢英吉    时间: 2015-2-16 22:28

posted by wap, platform: iPhone
简直太棒了,我就喜欢拨号,完全不用过脑子
作者: veryend    时间: 2015-2-16 23:09

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原帖由 darkgame 于 2015-2-16 19:09 发表
posted by wap, platform: SONY Z1
干脆叫10086得了
你把第一8上下拆开,终于知道制作组的良苦用心了吧
作者: tking1000    时间: 2015-2-16 23:43

游戏性感人,索粉不一人三本支持对不起这么好的游戏。。。
作者: zichuanle    时间: 2015-2-17 00:04

喷了,说不好的就是软饭,上纲上线技术与五毛有得比
作者: grammyliu    时间: 2015-2-17 00:17

posted by wap, platform: iPhone
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原帖由 @littlezoo  于 2015-2-16 02:05 AM 发表
这下有对手了,两边都是独占最好的画面,两边也都是拨号游戏。
拨号侄子 VS 请拨电话1886
炸裂!!!
请拨电话1886,喷了!
作者: grammyliu    时间: 2015-2-17 00:20

posted by wap, platform: iPhone
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原帖由 @LionHeart  于 2015-2-16 03:16 AM 发表
ps360时代第一画面是哪个呢
GTA5和TLOU喽
作者: grammyliu    时间: 2015-2-17 00:21

posted by wap, platform: iPhone
引用:
原帖由 @-_-|||  于 2015-2-16 04:51 AM 发表
10086 2333
老外吐槽Start playing at midnight. Ready at dawn也很233
Ready at Dawn,笑抽了,哈哈哈哈。
作者: grammyliu    时间: 2015-2-17 00:23

posted by wap, platform: iPhone
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原帖由 @zichuanle  于 2015-2-16 08:04 AM 发表
喷了,说不好的就是软饭,上纲上线技术与五毛有得比
人家才13岁,不要给人家上纲上线。:D
作者: 倍舒爽    时间: 2015-2-17 00:39

posted by wap, platform: 小米 4
好久没见楼主来战区开帖了……
作者: love_mm    时间: 2015-2-17 01:00

posted by wap, platform: iPhone
画面无法黑,就使劲咬着qte、游戏性不放,真是难为软饭了。这游戏要是有x1版别说8分钟就算80分钟软饭都是唱赞歌
作者: ZhouRC    时间: 2015-2-17 02:11

posted by wap, platform: Android
10086喷了
作者: dog    时间: 2015-2-17 03:37

posted by wap, platform: iPhone
引用:
原帖由 @love_mm  于 2015-2-17 01:00 发表
画面无法黑,就使劲咬着qte、游戏性不放,真是难为软饭了。这游戏要是有x1版别说8分钟就算80分钟软饭都是唱赞歌
纯属睁着眼睛说瞎话 一群索粉在唱赞歌倒是铁打的事实
作者: superpip33    时间: 2015-2-17 03:38

posted by wap, platform: Galaxy Note III
索尼必须死
作者: 蒋介石    时间: 2015-2-17 06:34

posted by wap, platform: Chrome
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原帖由 @love_mm  于 2015-2-17 01:00 发表
画面无法黑,就使劲咬着qte、游戏性不放,真是难为软饭了。这游戏要是有x1版别说8分钟就算80分钟软饭都是唱赞歌
互动电的问题又不是一天两天了 ,这国外网友也是黑? 这游戏要是有X1版也是互动电。
作者: leon2510    时间: 2015-2-17 07:56

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比侄子强太多了,而且杂兵不用拨号
作者: pencil    时间: 2015-2-17 08:21

谁是大英雄,不去顶拜也不去跟红
作者: littlezoo    时间: 2015-2-17 09:04

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原帖由 @leon2510  于 2015-2-17 07:56 发表
比侄子强太多了,而且杂兵不用拨号
杂兵可以拨号也可以不拨,侄子也是一样的,不过侄子好在可以乱拨号,这个拨错了号码就完了……
作者: 索尼    时间: 2015-2-17 11:11

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原帖由 @dog  于 2015-2-17 03:37 发表
纯属睁着眼睛说瞎话 一群索粉在唱赞歌倒是铁打的事实
老坛酸菜dog一直在上蹿下跳也是铁打的事实啊
作者: 超越仙的石头人    时间: 2015-2-17 11:24

有些人装任饭的也按捺不住过来助拳了哟 都忘了之前脸被抽的多肿了?
作者: 土耳其航空    时间: 2015-2-25 18:01

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原帖由 littlezoo 于 2015-2-17 09:04 发表
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杂兵可以拨号也可以不拨,侄子也是一样的,不过侄子好在可以乱拨号,这个拨错了号码就完了……
问个问题 为什么叫拨号之子?怎么个拨号法?没玩过纯好奇
作者: cgyldn    时间: 2015-2-25 18:12

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原帖由 @土耳其航空  于 2015-2-25 18:01 发表
问个问题 为什么叫拨号之子?怎么个拨号法?没玩过纯好奇
好像是某个杂志编辑说拿起电话乱按号码玩都比罗马之子好玩,于是拨号之子就诞生了233
作者: BeastMa    时间: 2015-2-25 18:25

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原帖由 @倍舒爽  于 2015-2-17 00:39 发表
好久没见楼主来战区开帖了……
三棒就要完蛋了,赶紧转移战场
作者: allensakura    时间: 2015-2-25 20:45

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原帖由 BeastMa 于 2015-2-25 18:25 发表
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三棒就要完蛋了,赶紧转移战场
你的火腿常紫光好了没阿?买不买M9?
作者: 土耳其航空    时间: 2015-2-26 13:41

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原帖由 cgyldn 于 2015-2-25 18:12 发表
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好像是某个杂志编辑说拿起电话乱按号码玩都比罗马之子好玩,于是拨号之子就诞生了233
感谢 这编辑嘴真损啊
作者: BeastMa    时间: 2015-2-26 14:29

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原帖由 @allensakura  于 2015-2-25 20:45 发表
你的火腿常紫光好了没阿?买不买M9?
扔了,已经转狗营了




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