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作者: madrista7 时间: 2014-3-28 13:53 标题: [更新]driverclub制作人辟谣，业内被ban！业内解释近期sony人事变动

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DriverClub导演Col出来打业内Pete Dodd的脸了：在gaf发了一贴，大概意思是他离开是因为4岁儿子患了严重的肾病，甚至有可能威胁生命。他离公司大概220英里，每周都离家5.5天，儿子这种情况他无法继续在此工作，他离开100%是家庭的原因。
他在公司时DriverClub也从未在制作道路上出现过偏离。
他已经尝试联系Dodd要求其撤销言论并道歉，因为这是诽谤并对当事人造成了伤害。

最后，当然，Pett Dodd在gaf被ban。

Hello, all.

This is my first post on NeoGAF, and whilst I'm not generally one to deal in internet speculation, I have to put the record straight with regard to Pete Dodd's comments above.

Everything he has said with regard to myself and Driveclub is incorrect. It's also libellous.

As Putty (who is a personal friend of mine, and has been for about 25 years) suggests, I left Evo in February for personal reasons. The personal reasons being that my son, who is 4 years old, has been diagnosed with Nephrotic Syndrome, which is a potentially life threatening condition. I live 220 miles (4 hours drive) away from Evolution Studios, and was away from home 5.5 days a week. Given the circumstances, I could not continue to work there.

Driveclub is a great game, and the direction hasn't changed since my departure. This has been confirmed by SONY in various press releases over recent days.

I have no problem in dealing with very large projects, as I've been working in the games industry for the last 19 years, and have worked on some very prestigious titles, so there is genuinely no truth to anything posted by Mr Dodds at all. My departure (and indeed the setup of my 'indie' operation, BigRedSwitch) is 100% driven by family necessity, not some professional failing on my part.

I left SONY on very good terms. There is no animosity there, and I was absolutely nothing to do with the recent redundancies - in fact, the news of those redundancies was probably linked on here before I knew about them.

The games industry is a tough place at the moment. My circumstances with my son mean that I've had to leave secure work in order to try to make my own way in the world. This may entail getting another job. With people who obviously know nothing about the situation blackening my reputation for the sake of internet 'fame', this could be made much more difficult. It's nothing less than trolling.

I've contacted Mr. Dodd on his email address on his site. Due to the factual inaccuracy of his statements, I've informed him that he needs to remove the statements and apologise for the damage they have caused, as posting incorrect information and claiming it's true is quite simply libel.

I'm sure you can all appreciate just how difficult things are for myself and my family at the moment. I'd genuinely appreciate it if you can take my statements as word from the origin, and realise that there has been no big cover-up when it comes to my departure from SONY/Evo.

Thanks, all.

Col.

原帖
来源：http://www.dualshockers.com/2014/03/27/after-the-layoffs-sony-is-now-working-on-hiring-again-insider-explains-what-happened/
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=106025006&postcount=728

It’s no mystery that multiple studios within Sony Computer Entertainment have undergone a thinning process lately, with multiple rounds of layoffs, and hiring has slowed down as well, with very few development-related career opportunity ads posted on SCEA’s and SCEE’s website.

Yet, it looks like Sony Computer Entertainment of America is now at the beginning of the upwards phase of the recruiting cycle again, and the company posted two new career opportunity ads seeking a recruiter and a recruiting coordinator.
Within the duties listed there is, of course, “Developing and administering staffing/employment/recruiting programs,” and it’s very interesting for two positions of this kind to be staffed at the same time, probably meaning that Sony either wants to restructure or expand its recruiting department.

Incidentally, industry insider Pete Dodd, that is known to have some quite solid sources at Sony, posted a very insightful piece on NeoGAF explaining what may have happened in the past few weeks at Sony’s WorldWide Studios, mentioning that people are connecting dots that don’t need to be connected. Be warned that the language is a little strong, but the post is meant for a forum, after all:
______________________
Connecting dots where they don’t need to be connected.
Stig and his team spent almost 100 million dollars on a game that failed every QA test that took. The game sucked. They shitcanned the game and a lot of the people involved. They offered Stig a spot on barlog’s project – he didn’t want to go from game director to something lesser so he quit.
Stig（战神3导演）和他的团队花了将近1亿刀去做的游戏（被取消的太空射击游戏），结果测试时一泡污，游戏本身也一泡污，所以游戏和团队都被干掉了，本来安排Stig可以在barlog（战神2导演）的新项目里继续干，但是他觉得太挫折了就选择了走人。

This makes sense, right? Shitty game, money wasted, people fired, head guy leaves out of ego? I mean that all makes sense.
Amy Hennig has creative differences about the direction that UC4 should go in. Egos swell, she leaves. She’s happy, she will make another studio much better when she gets there. Justin Richmond, an ally of Hennig’s, gets an offer he can’t refuse from Riot. He leaves.
Amy Hennig（神海创意总监）在神海4上的创作理念上持不同想法，选择了走人。Justin Richmond（神海3,4导演），是Hennig的盟友，在获得了一个Riot的无法拒绝的offer后，选择了走人。

These things happen. Naughty Dog is going to be fine. UC4 will still be awesome. Riot will be better with the pickup of Richmond and whoever gets Hennig will be better off. The sky isn’t falling.

Guerilla Cambridge is working on a vita game that is shit and won’t sell. They slim down as they retool for another project.
Guerilla Cambridge（psv杀戮地带）正在做的vita新作卖相一炮污，所以被重组。

Again – this isn’t new. This happens a lot.

The director of Driveclub doesn’t deliver the game on time. Given more time the game still needs work. He is replaced.
Driveclub的导演没有按时完成游戏（原本是首发），所以他被换人。

Wouldn’t you replace him? Wouldn’t you shitcan stig’s project that cost them almost 100 mil and had nothing of value to show for it? In fact they should have done it two years ago. The fact they let it go this far is a testament to how much they believed in him after GoW 3.
And all of this is happening before the fiscal year ends. Is sony trimming fat? Of course. Sony corporation is not in a great spot. So they are tightening up a bit. But a lot of people are connecting dots that don’t need to be connected. Hennig/Richmond is about creative differences and ego. Stig is about wasted money and time. Col Rogers (driveclub) is about failing to deliver. Taken on their own they all make sense. Combine them together and you get glenn beck with a chalkboard.

And Jack Tretton was about money and inability to move up. He will make more money and have more power somewhere else – something Sony simply could not offer him. Shit happens.
原SCEA总裁兼首席执行官Jack tretton想要往上爬，但是sony给不了他，所以走了。

It’s the same with the xbox department guys. People move around. People leave for other companies. Shit happens.
______________________
Dodd also offered further clarity on Stig Asmussen’s canceled project at Sony Santa Monica:
I heard various numbers between 75mil and 90 mil for Stig’s game. I said “almost 100″ because, well, both are almost 100 mil. They restarted the game, from scratch, THREE TIMES! And it sucked every time. The whole “it was too much like destiny” thing is bullshit. It was more horror-ish and like Dead Space than Destiny. That whole thing was sony jumping on the grenade to help Stig save face. And help themselves save face as they wasted a fucking TON of money.
stig的项目花了大概7500万到9000万，整个项目被重启三次，每次都一炮污，什么关于这个游戏“太像destiny”完全是扯淡，是sony自己趟雷替Stig留脸的说辞。

They started concept on it before GoW 3 shipped. Once GoW 3 shipped the moved to Darkside. They didn’t have online or DLC or shit like that to worry about. They jumped right into the next project.
The game initially was supposed to be out this year. It’s been clear for a couple years now that wasn’t gonna happen… but it does explain the giant hole in their fall lineup. Thankfully for them… Driveclub will be there to attempt to fill it, a bit.

He also offered more insight on the whole picture:
There are reasons why Sony lost a lot of money during the PS3 years. They are trying not to repeat that.

People losing jobs sucks. I feel for the SSM guys and everyone else. But Sony needs to run a tighter ship if they want to make money. They can’t allow teams to piss around for years with nothing to show. That’s why they completely restructured Japan Studio. Those guys had dozens of games that were going nowhere. It’s why they shuttered Zipper. MAG, while amazing – imo, was an expensive failure. Socom 4 was an expensive failure. They closed them down.
Sony需要更紧凑的团队，不能任第一方随便混日子，所以他们紧急止损，把整个日本工作室折腾了一遍，很多游戏都被cancel了

Now they are tightening up on teams that aren’t delivering. It sucks – but it makes sense. The playstation division is in strong state right now. The PS3 is finally making money for them, the PS4 is off to best start in console history, and they are correcting the money-wasting mistakes of the prior generation. I’m not saying we should have a party now – there are clearly hurdles to overcome. Stig’s game being gone created a giant hole in their lineup. The driveclub delay is the cause of enormous worry for many PS4 fans. The timing of these things has tinfoil hats flying everywhere. Sony corporate has very big problems it needs to handle. Shit isn’t all rosy at sony – i’m not trying to say that. But it’s not doom and gloom either. These are all separate events that happened for very logical reasons when you look at them individually.

Another industry insider, Ahsan Rasheed, also added his take on what’s happening at SCEE on Twitter.
What I can say is- Europe is having a reset button pushed and the entire spectrum from top to bottom is being reshuffled for efficiency.

The London Studio is known mostly for Singstar and various casual things, so I imagine things aren’t too surprising on that front.

On the other hand, NeoGAF user DemonNite, who is known to work at Sony, also mentioned that he isn’t worried.
Things change indeed. I’m not worried either and see things from the inside.

While we should always take what is said by insiders with the proverbial grain of salt, the job opportunities posted today offer further solidity to Dodd’s post, as it’s quite evident that Sony Computer Entertainment is simply taking part in the natural cycle of layoffs and hiring.
It’s always disheartening to see people leave or lose their jobs, but as Dodd says “people move around,” and it happens in every industry. Other industries simply don’t have hungry press hounding companies in order to create stories that often are made bigger than what they are.

另外还有一些大概意思是sony在ps3时期浪费了太多钱去应付不利局面，所以ps4时期开始把一些效率不高的团队或个人进行解决。

[ 本帖最后由 madrista7 于 2014-3-29 09:20 编辑 ]

作者: mapledot 时间: 2014-3-28 13:56

铁打硬盘流水的兵，减员增效还是很有效果的

作者: scalper 时间: 2014-3-28 13:56

坐等香港洗地工告诉索狗们Pete Dodd是伪业内

作者: kailuhage 时间: 2014-3-28 13:56

不说其他的，KZM真心就是一坨屎，走得好

作者: Grally 时间: 2014-3-28 14:01

有请天气预报大师变身人力资源大师来总结

作者: 小皮大爷 时间: 2014-3-28 14:02

And Jack Tretton was about money and inability to move up. He will make more money and have more power somewhere else – something Sony simply could not offer him. Shit happens.
原SCEA总裁兼首席执行官Jack tretton想要往上爬，但是sony给不了他，所以走了。

小胖都这个职位了，，还想上到哪里去？？？

作者: madrista7 时间: 2014-3-28 14:03

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原帖由 小皮大爷 于 2014-3-28 14:02 发表
And Jack Tretton was about money and inability to move up. He will make more money and have more power somewhere else – something Sony simply could not offer him. Shit happens.
原SCEA总裁兼首席执行官 ...

据说想坐全球的位子

作者: 你老闆 时间: 2014-3-28 14:04

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原帖由 scalper 于 2014-3-28 13:56 发表
坐等香港洗地工告诉索狗们Pete Dodd是伪业内

事實如此,還有那個Thuway也是
不然你去問倍舒爽

作者: polobok 时间: 2014-3-28 14:05

IGN编辑认为其他理由都是废话，只有一个理由，便秘

作者: BIOer 时间: 2014-3-28 14:07

看不下去了，整个一个瘪三公司……

作者: tommyshy 时间: 2014-3-28 14:14

posted by wap, platform: Nokia (Lumia 920)

简而言之，三个字:走得好？

作者: 咪咪好大啊 时间: 2014-3-28 14:15

posted by wap, platform: iPhone

腾讯还是把索尼给吃了吧

作者: ttk 时间: 2014-3-28 14:26

posted by wap, platform: Chrome

喜闻乐见。

作者: west2046 时间: 2014-3-28 14:35

这个“业内”之前爆过什么料？专爆微软的吗？

看样子是都是那些人负了索尼

作者: subway35 时间: 2014-3-28 14:46

Jack Tretton也走啊，扔话筒历历在目。太可惜了，以后E3看不到姨夫算了，jack也走了。。。Andrew House和吉田的演讲真心不咋地。

作者: 赤金册 时间: 2014-3-28 14:46

跳槽对欧美公司来说是家常便饭吧？

作者: 小色 时间: 2014-3-28 14:50

人员变动也有这么长的洗地文，市场只看你拿出手的结果，管你怎么变，尼玛还专门业内解释，生怕玩家东想西想吗，有底气你怕个毛啊怕 :D

作者: zenhigh 时间: 2014-3-28 14:53

后面的论调又成了"坏事变好事"，不出工的滚操，工作室又没垮，还在招人，新老交替生生不息，业界规律矣。

作者: madrista7 时间: 2014-3-28 15:04

关于“业内”，怎么说呢，gaf有个机制比较好，只要你po的“传言”被证实是不对的，马上就ban你没商量，所以gaf的传言一般都比较准的，所以这也是为什么各大游戏网媒，ign也好，gamespot也好，eurogame也好，还是dualshockers也好，经常会把gaf的“业内”当新闻发，而且很多名制作人比如战争机器之父Cliff，在gaf都有账号的，不过他一些言论在gaf不怎么受待见，经常被gafer喷，这是另外一回事。
之前一直命中率超高的“业内”Cboat最近被ban了，为啥？他信誓旦旦的多次说titanfall的最终零售版的分辨率是720p，就因为这条，他被账号被停用了。哪怕他之前确实给我们带来很多真实的内部消息，但是po了一次不正确的“传言”一样被ban。
这个贴本身就是个游戏业的八卦新闻，看看娱乐就好，至于是不是真的，跟看客真没多少关系

[ 本帖最后由 madrista7 于 2014-3-28 15:05 编辑 ]

作者: scalper 时间: 2014-3-28 15:06

gaf最不待见cliff b，认为丫就是个attention seeker，关于他的帖子基本都会被ban

作者: Gskyace 时间: 2014-3-28 15:25

又是一句话被除队系列
人家一定是连业界混混都算不上的。

作者: aamatrixboy 时间: 2014-3-28 15:43

是不是真的，是不是洗地，或者sony这样做对未来是好是坏，只有过两年再看看到底是谁游戏阵容更好了

作者: 你老闆 时间: 2014-3-28 15:43

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原帖由 madrista7 于 2014-3-28 15:04 发表
关于“业内”，怎么说呢，gaf有个机制比较好，只要你po的“传言”被证实是不对的，马上就ban你没商量，所以gaf的传言一般都比较准的，所以这也是为什么各大游戏网媒，ign也好，gamespot也好，eurogame也好，还是dual ...

喔嗯gaf,你說的是對的話,那Pete Dodd早在2月放砲說AMAZON要買XBOX部門那時被ban了
還有就算不計上面那個,他的"業內消息"基本上都永遠無法證實真假,因為全都是像你現在貼的這種所謂內部鬥爭或者決策之類的,而不是例如CBOAT那種往後(而且通常是短期內)能呈現給玩家的資訊,怎麼ban?

[ 本帖最后由你老闆于 2014-3-28 15:48 编辑 ]

作者: hf_fy 时间: 2014-3-28 15:56

说实话，sony需要在ps4时代搞一个新的强力独占title，特别是mgs和ff都跨的情况下

作者: fjfyla 时间: 2014-3-28 15:58

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原帖由 赤金册 于 2014-3-28 14:46 发表
跳槽对欧美公司来说是家常便饭吧？

其他公司都家常便饭，唯独锁泥的人走了一定大红字特别说明下走的是扫厕所的

作者: madrista7 时间: 2014-3-28 16:06

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原帖由 你老闆 于 2014-3-28 15:43 发表

喔嗯gaf,你說的是對的話,那Pete Dodd早在2月放砲說AMAZON要買XBOX部門那時被ban了
還有就算不計上面那個,他的"業內消息"基本上都永遠無法證實真假,因為全都是像你現在貼的這種所謂內部鬥爭或者決策之類的,而不是例 ...

第一，Amazon是否想做主机（现在可以确认Amazon要出游戏机了），微软是否想过卖xbox，两家是否就此事讨论过可能性，这真的除了业内谁也不会知道，而且只要没谈成你就永远不会知道，你不能说他错，你也不能说他对。
第二，Pete还是比较珍惜自己的账号的，所以他只是推特上发，没在gaf发:D，gaf的帖子是别人转他的，然后各大媒体转，我想无风不起浪，外媒都在转肯定也有其它source有相近说法才会发
第三，请你把这些包括本帖当八卦看，别认真好伐。有人爆料是好事，既然是爆料，肯定会有对有错，你也没有那个能力去辨真伪，怎么办？还是那句话，当八卦看，信不信都可以。
第四，我以前发Cboat关于xbox one传言，你一样表示过他不可信，所以你预设立场去选择是否相信根本就无解，所以我也不想和你纠结，好吧？

[ 本帖最后由 madrista7 于 2014-3-28 16:10 编辑 ]

作者: 你老闆 时间: 2014-3-28 16:06

喔忘了說,這人之前在XB1發售前也有說XB1的系統問題多多又LAG又Snap就會死機啥的,結果沒過幾天就知道根本沒這回事,然後呢?一句"我想不到微軟解決這麼快"就當沒事發生

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原帖由 madrista7 于 2014-3-28 16:06 发表

第一，Amazon是否想做主机（现在可以确认Amazon要出游戏机了），微软是否想过卖xbox，两家是否就此事讨论过可能性，这真的除了业内谁也不会知道，而且只要没谈成你就永远不会知道，你不能说他错，你也不能说他对。 ...

你的話我不就在第2句說了:他所謂的"爆料"基本上都是難以查出真假的事情lol
對了,所謂外媒,基本上轉最多的都是dualshockers這個裝中立網而已,Amazon買Xbox部門我可沒見IGN什麼的有轉

[ 本帖最后由你老闆于 2014-3-28 16:11 编辑 ]

作者: madrista7 时间: 2014-3-28 16:11

dualshockers装中立……
为什么总要预设立场去看东西:D

作者: slr 时间: 2014-3-28 16:20

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原帖由 @赤金册于 2014-3-28 14:46 发表
跳槽对欧美公司来说是家常便饭吧？

这算跳槽？大部分都是扫地出门，招人各种不靠谱。

作者: 你老闆 时间: 2014-3-28 16:21

Dualshockers前身是啥我還有印象謝謝
要看專門的PS消息的我去PSU之類就好

作者: yufe 时间: 2014-3-28 16:27

jack小胖居然走了，骚尼又少了个卖相不错的吉祥物了。

作者: madrista7 时间: 2014-3-28 16:29

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原帖由 你老闆 于 2014-3-28 16:21 发表
Dualshockers前身是啥我還有印象謝謝
要看專門的PS消息的我去PSU之類就好

Dualshockers前身是啥？别告诉我因为它叫Dualshockers所以你就认为它是索系网站

作者: 你老闆 时间: 2014-3-28 16:35

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原帖由 madrista7 于 2014-3-28 16:29 发表
Dualshockers前身是啥？别告诉我因为它叫Dualshockers所以你就认为它是索系网站

索系網站沒問題啊,不然我上PSU看新聞幹嗎,Dualshockers這種扮中立倒是才是最嘔的

作者: killmesoftly 时间: 2014-3-28 16:36

Big Jack选择在自己认为是现在所在事业顶点时离开也属于职场的正常选择

他要往上升只有Andrew House的位置，问题House才上去多久啊，得他也上升或走了才有空缺留出来给Big Jack

作者: 妹妹的G点 时间: 2014-3-28 17:39

posted by wap, platform: Galaxy Note III

神海，战神，很期待喔。

作者: hqqttjiang 时间: 2014-3-28 18:27

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原帖由 你老闆 于 2014-3-28 16:06 发表
喔忘了說,這人之前在XB1發售前也有說XB1的系統問題多多又LAG又Snap就會死機啥的,結果沒過幾天就知道根本沒這回事,然後呢?一句"我想不到微軟解決這麼快"就當沒事發生

你的話我不就在第2句說了:他所謂的"爆料"基本 ...

恩恩 VG247之类的也是装中立的只有polygon最客观了

http://www.vg247.com/2014/03/28/ ... differences-rumour/

作者: 超越仙的石头人 时间: 2014-3-29 08:10

posted by wap, platform: Nokia (Lumia 1520)

Hehe 围观21L业界大佬

作者: madrista7 时间: 2014-3-29 09:20

业内被driverclub导演打脸

作者: polobok 时间: 2014-3-29 09:22

业内被打脸
这楼几人被打脸？
我数数，1，2，3，4。。。。

作者: west2046 时间: 2014-3-29 09:55

哈哈哈哈哈哈

作者: slr 时间: 2014-3-29 10:15

游戏未按期首发也是因为家庭原因?说句实在的,你只要在公司一天就应该把工作认真做好,真的很严重的家庭变故就应该趁早离开把工作交给能完成的人,只要没离职就不能拿家庭原因当挡箭牌,这样心不在焉的在公司混薪水只能显得自己很不专业.

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作者: yeyehas 时间: 2014-3-29 10:34

为儿子喷了你evolution烂泥3做完了整三年都搞不出来个游戏
如果不是因为vr延期的药店碧莲也该滚了公司留点面子弄个说法而已

作者: subway35 时间: 2014-3-29 10:48

Lol,戏剧化发展，那"业内"别的几条关于sony的，难道也是自己YY的。。。

作者: west2046 时间: 2014-3-29 10:52

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原帖由 Gskyace 于 2014-3-28 15:25 发表
又是一句话被除队系列
人家一定是连业界混混都算不上的。

业内你好

作者: polobok 时间: 2014-3-29 11:00

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原帖由 west2046 于 2014-3-29 10:52 发表

业内你好

业内独家消息“TLOU2012年10月发售，谢绝转载”:D

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作者: 赤金册 时间: 2014-3-29 11:01

围观21L业内

作者: madrista7 时间: 2014-3-29 11:33

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说点花边，Pete Dodd其实一直算不上insider，他是靠当初在网络上发起以GAF为起点然后在推特，脸书上发酵的NO DRM运动而一炮打响，sony和微软准备搞得DRM和二手策略可以说是被这个人带头弄垮了，在此之前他在gaf也是nobody，因为这个事件，他获得了一些名声使得他可以有机会接触业内人士，交了很多业内朋友。为了讨好玩家，scea的Adam Boyes都和他交流沟通过。
在那之后，Dodd开始经常在自己经营的网站，推特和GAF爆料，他也不算什么脑补，他的爆料只是从他的业内朋友那获得的二手消息。Col的事只能说他的业内朋友也不靠谱，他在推特上道歉承认了这点，也直接向Col本人道歉了，当然他也付出了代价，积累的人气也毁于一旦。

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作者: west2046 时间: 2014-3-29 11:56

其实爆一些八面玲珑的"业内消息"基本上是立于不败，例如:343正在为Halo5上1080p努力。例如:微软正在准备为X1降价。例如:微软正在商讨X1金会员送游戏…………等等等等

作者: masterfish 时间: 2014-3-29 12:53

我没觉得Dodd被打脸，顶楼的人事变动有哪怕一条是错的吗？错的只是变动的原因吧，这个基本上是公婆各说理了。。。

作者: 讴歌123 时间: 2014-3-29 13:17

刚回家就看到了这种好消息，famousmortimer拜拜:D :D :D

作者: subway35 时间: 2014-3-29 13:50

Col开头直接来了句 Obviously not an insider.

作者: 索尼 时间: 2014-3-29 16:21

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原帖由 @fjfyla 于 2014-3-28 15:58 发表
其他公司都家常便饭，唯独锁泥的人走了一定大红字特别说明下走的是扫厕所的

说是扫厕所的那个是任青

作者: quki 时间: 2014-3-29 16:58

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原帖由 madrista7 于 2014-3-29 11:33 发表
posted by wap, platform: Android

说点花边，Pete Dodd其实一直算不上insider，他是靠当初在网络上发起以GAF为起点然后在推特，脸书上发酵的NO DRM运动而一炮打响，sony和微软准备搞得DRM和二手策略可以说是被这个 ...

他爆料范围太广了，这种广度的根本无法亲自取证，很容易细节有一两个错误。当然内部人士也不太会爆这么全，这么搞被秒开几率太大

作者: shiningfire 时间: 2014-3-29 17:01

ban了。。。。

作者: 你老闆 时间: 2014-3-29 21:41

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原帖由 yeyehas 于 2014-3-29 10:34 发表
为儿子喷了你evolution烂泥3做完了整三年都搞不出来个游戏
如果不是因为vr延期的药店碧莲也该滚了公司留点面子弄个说法而已

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原帖由 slr 于 2014-3-29 10:15 发表
游戏未按期首发也是因为家庭原因?说句实在的,你只要在公司一天就应该把工作认真做好,真的很严重的家庭变故就应该趁早离开把工作交给能完成的人,只要没离职就不能拿家庭原因当挡箭牌,这样心不在焉的在公司混薪水只能显 ...

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