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作者: 极品三红 时间: 2011-3-24 18:26 标题: 索尼表示PS3黑客GeoHot畏罪潜逃至南美

曾经因破解PS3而名声大噪的黑客GeoHot(全名George Hotz)不久前被索尼告上法庭，处境堪忧。3月份的时候索尼还宣布了一条胜利消息，那就是法官允许索尼获取访问过GeoHot的个人网站和其Youtube频道的用户IP地址，因为这些人都涉嫌搜索观看如何破解PS3。

　　可怜的GeoHot，怎么看都处于劣势。或许是觉得胜诉无望，GeoHot潜逃了！索尼今天公开表示，黑客GeoHot已经潜逃至南美。在法官要求霍茨赴加州应诉后，他拆下了自己笔记本的几个关键部件，逃走了。

　　索尼这次高兴了，杀一儆百，看今后谁还敢明目张胆地破解PS3。

　　索尼于2011年1月以侵犯版权为由正式起诉GeoHot以及黑客团队fail0verflow，GeoHot一再声明他的目的仅仅是破解PS3，以便让这一游戏机能够运行其他系统。PS3的最初设计是可以运行Linux系统的，但是索尼在去年夏天的一次升级中删除了这一功能。GeoHot等黑客在恢复了PS3运行多种系统的功能的同时，也让PS3运行盗版软件成为了可能
http://www.eurogamer.net/article ... es-to-south-america

作者: dragonzet 时间: 2011-3-24 18:30

破解使他致富啊。。。

作者: mieumieu 时间: 2011-3-24 18:34

这是一起民事诉讼，没有什么畏罪潜逃之理

另外Geohot以及他的律师已经出来澄清，看以下链接：

http://psx-scene.com/forums/f6/geohot-flees-south-america-83925/

Apparently, I have fled the country. ROFL

Factually, it's true I'm in South America, on a vacation I've had planned and paid for since November. I mean, it is Spring break; hacking isn't my life. Rest assured that not a dime of legal defense money would ever go toward something like this. And of course Townsend loves the idea of painting me as an international fugitive. I have been in contact with my lawyers almost every day; I would not let the case suffer. That said, I also won't let this ridiculous lawsuit run my life either. Then the fearmongerers win.

I will be back, I hear it's hard to come by the Xperia Play down here.

作者: tdk01 时间: 2011-3-24 18:35

楼主，以后能稍微长进点吗

作者: 极品三红 时间: 2011-3-24 18:36

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原帖由 mieumieu 于 2011-3-24 18:34 发表
这是一起民事诉讼，没有什么畏罪潜逃之理

另外Geohot以及他的律师已经出来澄清，看以下链接：

http://psx-scene.com/forums/f6/geohot-flees-south-america-83925/

Apparently, I have fled the country. R ...

就是应该民事可能变成刑事，所以才要逃嘛。
律师的说法不过给他留条后路而已

作者: 残忍分尸狂魔 时间: 2011-3-24 18:37

作者: 极品三红 时间: 2011-3-24 18:38

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原帖由 tdk01 于 2011-3-24 18:35 发表
楼主，以后能稍微长进点吗

转贴而已，你脑子有病吗

作者: mieumieu 时间: 2011-3-24 18:38

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原帖由 极品三红 于 2011-3-24 18:36 发表

就是应该民事可能变成刑事，所以才要逃嘛。
律师的说法不过给他留条后路而已

看来脑补真的很美好，我不打扰了

最后送一段评论

Sony is suing the wrong guy, because it’s easier to sue a hacker than thousands of pirates. Because they were hurt in their pride, realizing that security through obscurity is not a good thing, they decided to react as a bully, by suing an individual, hoping he wouldn’t even try to fight back. I’m proud that a guy like Geohot does indeed fight back, and I hope Sony lose this battle, for the sake of customers’ rights in the future.

[ 本帖最后由 mieumieu 于 2011-3-24 18:39 编辑 ]

作者: tdk01 时间: 2011-3-24 18:40

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原帖由 极品三红 于 2011-3-24 18:38 发表

转贴而已，你脑子有病吗

是吗？上次那个微软募捐贴，你自己改名字也是转帖的后遗症？

作者: tdk01 时间: 2011-3-24 18:41

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原帖由 极品三红 于 2011-3-24 18:36 发表

就是应该民事可能变成刑事，所以才要逃嘛。
律师的说法不过给他留条后路而已

民事怎么变刑事，求解？

作者: 极品三红 时间: 2011-3-24 18:42

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原帖由 mieumieu 于 2011-3-24 18:38 发表

看来脑补真的很美好，我不打扰了

最后送一段评论

Sony is suing the wrong guy, because it’s easier to sue a hacker than thousands of pirates. Because they were hurt in their pride, realizing that ...

人都开溜了还死撑啊

作者: tdk01 时间: 2011-3-24 18:43

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原帖由 极品三红 于 2011-3-24 18:42 发表

人都开溜了还死撑啊

只要法院需要是出席即可，法院并未限制其人身自由

作者: 极品三红 时间: 2011-3-24 18:45

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原帖由 tdk01 于 2011-3-24 18:40 发表

是吗？上次那个微软募捐贴，你自己改名字也是转帖的后遗症？

改什么名字，最多用词更直接而已。等你学会本意与篡改和婉转与直接再来谈

作者: 极品三红 时间: 2011-3-24 18:46

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原帖由 tdk01 于 2011-3-24 18:41 发表

民事怎么变刑事，求解？

硬盘或账户里有见不得光的东西呗

作者: mieumieu 时间: 2011-3-24 18:46

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原帖由 极品三红 于 2011-3-24 18:42 发表

人都开溜了还死撑啊

这是Wololo发的评论而已，不是Geohot本人所写

全文在这里：http://wololo.net/wagic/2011/03/ ... spreading-the-word/

文章的观点我不评论，不过我倒是很希望看到详细驳斥论点的……恩恩

Sony is a bully: spreading the word

March 21, 2011 in PS3, security | 48 comments

Update: a few points of clarification: this article, as most articles on my blog, is a personal opinion. I am not a journalist, and this is not a news website. I am disappointed as a (long time) customer by Sony’s attitude (not only in this lawsuit, but in general), so I decided to raise my voice, as a customer and a developer. I decided to stop buying Sony’s products, but I am not calling for a boycott of any kind. I just wanted to show that not everybody agrees with what Sony is currently doing, and I expect some of the readers of this article to disagree with me, this is how we can get interesting discussions on the subject. The more people talk about it, the best. The worst would be for this lawsuit to go under the radar.

Sony America is suing Geohot for the whole PS3 jailbreak thing. Hopefully my opinion on the subject is clear: I believe Sony deserve to lose this lawsuit.

I’ll try to give details below, by discussing a few arguments I’ve seen on the internet.
Sony have no choice but to lock their system if they want to protect their business

The goal of most hackers around the world is to give freedom to hardware/software owners. The goal of hardware/software companies, like all companies, is to make money. These two goals are not incompatible. Some software and hardware companies manage to make lots of profits without locking their system. Like it or not, Windows is a good example of such a system. Last time I checked, you are still allowed to run Openoffice on windows. You are still allowed to run Skype. You are still allowed to run Firefox. Actually, the last time Microsoft even tried to make their own product more “visible” on their own platform, it backfired.

I’m shocked that companies such as Sony or Apple haven’t been sued by the European Commision yet, given how devices such as the iPhone or the PS3 revolve around a huge customer locking system (locking the user in a hardware/software/distribution system vicious circle).
Sony have no choice but to lock their system in order to protect game developers and the future of video gaming

Ask that to real game developers, not to Sony. One of the major reasons for Sony to lock their gaming system is to have control on both the customers and the game developers. By adding a DRM system to their console, they guarantee that game developers cannot sell a game for the PS3 without Sony getting a good share of the money. They are also using their huge power on the video game market to ensure that they get exclusive content (at least for a given period of time, such as Final Fantasy 13), preventing the devs from making money on other platforms. They are not trying to protect video games, but their business.

Systems such as Android, Windows, or Linux, prove that you can have a system with lots of applications and games, without locking the hardware in a single distribution system.
Hackers do this for piracy, and cheating in games

In their lawsuit against Geohot, Sony are using clever marketing techniques to make Geohot look like the bad guy. One of the most obvious ones is the major confusion (blindfully transmitted by so-called “technological websites”) that they intentionally create between hackers, cheaters, and pirates.

Hackers are people who like to understand how their hardware works. If the PS3 was a car, being a hacker would be equivalent to opening your trunk and see how the engine works, or tweak the engine in order for it to work with solar energy rather than gasoline.

(Online) cheaters are the guys who headshot you in Modern Warfare. Let me make one thing clear: Hackers and Cheaters are NEVER the same guys, because hackers rarely spend their time playing, and when they do, they are ethical about it. If the PS3 were a car, cheaters would be the people taking a parking spot for the handicapped, or not stopping at the red light, just because they think it’s fun.

Pirates are the people who play illegal copies of games. If the PS3 were a car, pirates would be the people using the highway for free. They don’t contribute to the cost of the highway, making it more expensive for the other users. Again, I tend to believe that hackers are not pirates, because they have other fish to fry.

My point here, beside the crappy car metaphor, is that Sony is trying to have “normal” customers believe that hackers are the same thing as pirates and cheaters, which is not the case. They are suing the wrong guy.
The PS3 hack by Geohot and fail0verflow made the PS3 gaming experience less enjoyable because of online cheaters

Hackers did not put the bad programming in the PS3 security system, it was here in the first place, and they just found it. The same goes for game cheats such as Modern Warfare issues online. It’s not hackers’ fault if this game had a badly programmed security scheme. Additionally, hackers such as Geohot or fail0verfl0w did not program these cheating tools.

It’s a well known fact in all IT companies that security in online systems should be handled on the server side. Would you trust a bank that does a credit card number validation on the client side instead of the server side? No. The same should go for video games. Given the price we pay for such video games, the least we could expect is these companies to do their jobs correctly on all levels, including security.
The hackers should have kept the hack for themselves

There are many ways to deal with a security issue. Of course, in a usual security flaw case, it would have been best if the hackers had contacted Sony, let them know about the issue, give Sony a few months to fix the issue (if possible), and then reveal it publicly. But I think Geohot/failoverflow’s reasons became a bit personal with the removal of linux too. So, (and that’s a very personal opinion), I believe Sony started this, and the way the hack was announced was a way of letting them know that removing Linux was a very bad move (that, and other things they do to their customers).

As far as not disclosing the vulnerability at all… well, I’d say we’re very lucky that people like Fail0verfl0w or geohot are the ones who discovered this flaw. For all you know, other people had discovered this before them, and were using it for bad things. Keep in mind that you enter your credit card number on your PS3 whenever you buy a game, or if you use the browser to visit your bank account. I personally am happier that this went public, rather than having the wrong people knowing about the issue. At least Sony knows about the issue, and hopefully they are monitoring more closely the things that could be done with this.
If you don’t like the way the PS3 works, buy a computer instead, and leave the PS3 alone, gamers don’t care about your fight

one of the many legal things the PS3 prevents me from doing: playing legally owned French DVDs

There are many things I don’t like in this statement, and unfortunately I’ve seen this statement in many places, I also got such remarks from very close friends. First the PS3 IS a computer. Removing the mouse and the keyboard don’t make it different. So why should it follow different rules and laws from your normal PC?

Second, the PS3 was falsely advertised as many things it is not: “the best bluray player on the market” (I can’t play region 2 blu rays that I legally bought, while my PC can), “linux support” (it was removed a few months ago, with no choice for the customers but to upgrade), or “it only does everything” (there are so many things it doesn’t do because of Sony’s locks, I can’t enumerate them, but, I’ll go with running homebrews). This led customers such as me to buy it, and become constantly disappointed by its limitations, or by the TOS changes that Sony forces on their customers, without a choice to make. Overall, what the PS3 can or cannot do is very obscure for the end customer, and absolutely not in line with the advertising that is made about it. If I had known about the many limitations of the PS3 beforehand, I wouldn’t have bought it. Sure, I wasn’t expecting it to play homebrews, but I was absolutely shocked to not be able to play PAL DVDs, for example (especially since I’m convinced it’s a software lock, that could easily be tweaked).

"The PS3 is the best Blu-ray player on the market" - Peter Dille, Vice President, SCEA

Third, Sony have such a big share in the gaming market with the PS3 that it is difficult to avoid buying a PS3 if you’re a gamer. What are my choices if I’m a big Final Fantasy fan, but I hate Sony’s policy? With the way Sony secures some exclusive contents, and their “you have to upgrade” policy, as a gamer and a customer, you sometimes have to make a choice that you shouldn’t have to make (namely, losing the possibility of using OtherOS in this case)
Hackers are bad, they are ruining the business of a good company, just for fun. Sony is just trying to protect their business.

Companies like Sony, as I said above, are trying to make profit, this is what a company is for. To do that, they don’t hesitate to use nasty tricks, such as stealing intellectual property from other companies, installing viruses on people’s computers, installing crapware on the computers they sell… Many companies such as Sony try to go beyond the boundaries of the law, in the hope that they won’t get noticed, or that people won’t care. It is true that most of the time people don’t care, and when they do, they are usually not rich enough to fight back, given the costs of the legal system in most countries of the world.

In other words, the fact that a big company does something does NOT mean it is legal.

The DMCA in the U.S. is the result of major lobbying from companies that obviously didn’t care too much about customers protection, but their own interests. The fact that something is legal doesn’t mean it is always right. The DMCA law was voted very recently (1998, that’s recent for a law), and has shown its many flaws in the past. Most of the time, this law is abused by companies like Sony in order to prevent people from using the content they paid for, the way they want to use it. Because this law is very new and far from being perfect, a case such as this one is an opportunity to stand for the rights of customers. This is not only about Sony and PS3 piracy, but about the rights to own the content and the hardware we paid for.
conclusion

I’m really pissed at Sony for what they’re doing now. I believe they’ve screwed me many times as a customer, and suing a hacker puts the nail in the coffin for me. For now, I will stop buying any Sony product until this lawsuit ends up in a positive way. By positive, I mean a way for people to get homebrews to run on their PS3 if they want to, or, as Geohot stated, putting OtherOS back on ALL models of PS3 (including the slim), and a public apology for ever taking it out in the first place.

I’ve already started boycotting Sony products. I was looking for a life insurance 2 weeks ago. The most interesting one was from Sony’s insurance subsidiary (Sony Life). I put it in the trash can immediately, and ended up choosing another one. This represents roughly 4.5 million Yen (about 40’000 euros) that won’t go into Sony’s pocket, just because of this lawsuit.

Sony is suing the wrong guy, because it’s easier to sue a hacker than thousands of pirates. Because they were hurt in their pride, realizing that security through obscurity is not a good thing, they decided to react as a bully, by suing an individual, hoping he wouldn’t even try to fight back. I’m proud that a guy like Geohot does indeed fight back, and I hope Sony lose this battle, for the sake of customers’ rights in the future.

Geohot had warned Sony that even though most customers wouldn’t care about this whole lawsuit, developers would care, and would remember when the day comes to choose a company. Maybe he was right.

Geohot was accepting donations for his fight, donations are now closed, but watch his website closely for the next round.

作者: alalaka 时间: 2011-3-24 18:46

lz爱转什么帖，用什么标题，持什么观点，你们管得着嘛？这些RF真恶心这个世界上就没有RF，你们就是些5元饭，D版饭

作者: mieumieu 时间: 2011-3-24 18:46

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原帖由 极品三红 于 2011-3-24 18:46 发表

硬盘或账户里有见不得光的东西呗

不要阴阳怪气，有就有，没有就没有，到时候自然真相大白

作者: mieumieu 时间: 2011-3-24 18:48

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原帖由 alalaka 于 2011-3-24 18:46 发表
lz爱转什么帖，用什么标题，持什么观点，你们管得着嘛？这些RF真恶心这个世界上就没有RF，你们就是些5元饭，D版饭

有个人叫 360的软硬比要跟你说两句

oh……说到这我才想起来我上次开360已经是去年11月了，而最近才买了张摩托风暴3开了几圈
我对什么阵营之类毫无兴趣，只对事物对错，是否符合现实，人是不是说真话之类的问题感兴趣。。

[ 本帖最后由 mieumieu 于 2011-3-24 18:52 编辑 ]

作者: alalaka 时间: 2011-3-24 18:51

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原帖由 mieumieu 于 2011-3-24 18:48 发表

有个人叫 360的软硬比要跟你说两句

买360游戏的都是脑残90后，不懂得游戏的，只会天天COD。懂游戏的都买ps3，这个世界上明白人少，你这点道理都不懂。

作者: tdk01 时间: 2011-3-24 18:52

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原帖由 极品三红 于 2011-3-24 18:46 发表

硬盘或账户里有见不得光的东西呗

那为什么能变成刑事案件呢

作者: 城里的月光 时间: 2011-3-24 18:52

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原帖由 alalaka 于 2011-3-24 18:51 发表

买360游戏的都是脑残90后，不懂得游戏的，只会天天COD。懂游戏的都买ps3，这个世界上明白人少，你这点道理都不懂。

这地图炮放的太没水平了
连90后都不如啊

作者: mieumieu 时间: 2011-3-24 18:53

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原帖由 城里的月光 于 2011-3-24 18:52 发表

这地图炮放的太没水平了
连90后都不如啊

Wikipedia搜索Poe's Law，国语版简称无间道

作者: west2046 时间: 2011-3-24 19:24

LZ最近开坑很积极

作者: gl434 时间: 2011-3-24 19:28

去委内瑞拉吧查叔叔包你安全妥妥的

作者: tntforbrain 时间: 2011-3-24 19:42

每次看了楼主转的新闻，一种优越感和对生活的自信都会油然而生。:D

抱歉，我只是实话实说而已，总隐瞒自己的想法我觉得也不对。:D

发什么新闻，用什么标题倒确实是他的自由，不过如果他发的新闻翻译的文字内容本身就不靠谱呢？

上次就劝他少干点这种事了，免得被别人围观，这次...我也围观好了。:D

英文都贴在那里了，大家也看得明白，笑一笑就可以了。:D

[ 本帖最后由 tntforbrain 于 2011-3-24 19:43 编辑 ]

作者: 邪神周 时间: 2011-3-24 20:04

表示三机种都有的毫无压力。。。玩游戏罢了，没必要分啥阵营吧。顺便觉得一天到晚这样战不觉得没意思么。

作者: 极品三红 时间: 2011-3-24 20:04

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原帖由 tntforbrain 于 2011-3-24 19:42 发表
每次看了楼主转的新闻，一种优越感和对生活的自信都会油然而生。:D

抱歉，我只是实话实说而已，总隐瞒自己的想法我觉得也不对。:D

发什么新闻，用什么标题倒确实是他的自由，不过如果他发的新闻翻译的文字内 ...

那当然了，跑路费有你一份，你能不优越吗

作者: HRF 时间: 2011-3-24 20:29

lz爱转什么帖，用什么标题，持什么观点，你们管得着嘛？这些RF真恶心这个世界上就没有RF，你们就是些5元饭，D版饭

上面这句给力:D

作者: 极品三红 时间: 2011-3-24 20:36

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原帖由 mieumieu 于 2011-3-24 18:46 发表

不要阴阳怪气，有就有，没有就没有，到时候自然真相大白

A9上看见的，藐视法庭是什么罪？会坐牢吗

索尼近日十分不爽地宣布，PS3破解黑客George 'Geohot' Hotz为了避免与索尼的律师对峙，日前已经逃往南美地区。
　　根据索尼公司提交的法庭文件称，Hotz故意拒绝交出用于调查的多种设备，并且目前已经逃离美国。
　　文件称：“目前的证据足以适用属人管辖权，并且公司毫无疑问还将发现更多证据。”
　　“在过去的数周内，Hotz故意阻挠了每一次的调查行动——无论法庭允许与否。”
　　“更严重的是，在地方法官Spero下令对Hotz的设备进行调查并要求他在加州出庭宣誓之后，公司发现Hotz在将其已经被宣布扣押的设备交于中立第三方之前，故意删除了硬盘上的所有资料。现在，Hotz已经身在南美，并以此为借口称其无法立即交出硬盘。”

　　“Hotz这种躲避法院权威的行为已经上升为一个十分的严重的问题。”
　　目前的局势对可怜的黑客Hotz十分不利。索尼目前还指控他在对拥有PSN帐号上对法院说了谎。
　　“Hotz称其拥有四台PS3。最近一次购买PS3是在2010年2月，并提供了那台设备的序列号。索尼调查序列号后发现，在2010年2月25日，Hotz在他家附近的Gamestop商店购买了这台PS3游戏机。”
　　“公司的记录显示，在2010年3月10日，那台PS3以‘blickmanic’为用户名注册了PSN帐号。该帐号的IP地址位于新泽西州的格兰岩市——正是Hotz的居住地。”

作者: mieumieu 时间: 2011-3-24 21:56

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原帖由 极品三红 于 2011-3-24 20:36 发表

A9上看见的，藐视法庭是什么罪？会坐牢吗

索尼近日十分不爽地宣布，PS3破解黑客George 'Geohot' Hotz为了避免与索尼的律师对峙，日前已经逃往南美地区。
　　根据索尼公司提交的法庭文件称，H ...

这篇新闻的原文已经被澄清，我不是都说了吗
A9速度慢一点很正常，而且这种标题很有助于他们那边的风气

作者: zhangjingy 时间: 2011-3-24 22:02

都是一家之言，到底情况如何自己心里清楚。反正现在 3.60 防破解杠杠的（其实 3.56 都没被破），SONY good job！

作者: zafm0861 时间: 2011-3-24 22:18

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原帖由 极品三红 于 2011-3-24 18:42 发表

人都开溜了还死撑啊

你果然极品

作者: ORICONF 时间: 2011-3-24 22:32

好担心啊不要卷款潜逃啊

作者: allensakura 时间: 2011-3-24 22:33

又被逼瘋了一批了嗎？

作者: 2047 时间: 2011-3-24 23:20

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原帖由 @alalaka 于 2011-3-24 18:46 发表
lz爱转什么帖，用什么标题，持什么观点，你们管得着嘛？这些RF真恶心这个世界上就没有RF，你们就是些5元饭，D版饭

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