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作者: 烏鴉 时间: 2011-3-3 17:45 标题: android和ios等各派是否需要停战一下，岩田聪开炮了

战区已经开战了，先表个态，我几乎不怎么玩手机游戏，但我这次反对聪哥。
http://club.tgfcer.com/thread-6289077-1-1.html

在周三圣弗朗西斯科举行的游戏开发者大会上，任天堂总裁岩田聪 (Satoru Iwata) 呼吁游戏开发者抵制智能手机平台，他认为智能手机正在推动一种趋势，即低品质、缺乏经济可持续性的视频游戏。

http://bits.blogs.nytimes.com/20 ... t-urges-developers/

Resist the Pull of Smartphones, Nintendo President Urges Developers

The president of Nintendo told video game developers Wednesday that smartphones were driving a trend toward lower quality, and economically unsustainable, video games.

“I fear our business is dividing in a way that that threatens the continued employment of those of us who make games,” said Satoru Iwata during a keynote address at the Game Developers Conference in San Francisco. “Is maintaining high value games a top priority, or not?”

The emergence of low-cost video games for smartphones has led to a major shift in the way that many people experience video games. And for a company like Nintendo, whose strategy has long relied on converting non-gamers with non-threatening offerings like Tetris and the Wii, the popularity of casual smartphone games like Angry Birds is particularly ominous.

This threat was underscored just minutes after Mr. Iwata finished speaking, when Steven P. Jobs took the stage at the Yerba Buena Center for the Arts just across the street to introduce a new version of the iPad. Among the new features of the iPad was a gyroscope, which game developers have already been using to make games for the iPhone.

While smartphone games have caught on for their ease of use and low price, video game console makers have looked to distinguish themselves by creating devices that do things that phones cannot. Nintendo’s biggest response has been the 3DS, a portable 3-D gaming device that does not require glasses. The 3DS, which sold out in Japan within days of its introduction there last week, will be available in the United States on March 27. Mr. Iwata’s presentation at the conference focused largely on the new device; he announced that the 3DS will have new versions of two of Nintendo’s most popular titles — Super Mario and the Legend of Zelda — but that they will not be ready until several months after the game is sold in the United States.

In his address, Mr. Iwata said that video games for smartphones were generally of lower quality, and that their low costs would rarely pay for the development of quality games. He also argued that a company like Nintendo, which makes both hardware and software for gaming, would always be a better ally for developers than phone manufacturers.

“When I look at retailers and I see the $1 and free software, I have to determine that the owner doesn’t care about the high value of software at all,” Mr. Iwata said.

Still, the rapidly increasing smartphone market is proving irresistible to game developers, industry analysts said. And the ubiquity of the devices is undermining the economic argument to designing more expensive games for smaller audiences.

“There’s no doubt, in my mind at least, that these smartphones are legitimate game platforms and legitimate competitors,” said Colin Sebastian, an analyst with Lazard Capital Markets. “That argument gets harder for Nintendo to make every year.”

Meanwhile, Nintendo is moving beyond gaming with the 3DS, much as it has done with the Wii. Nintendo announced Wednesday that the 3DS will be able to stream content from Netflix. Users will also be able to pause a movie on the 3DS and restart it at the same point on a Wii, or vice versa. Nintendo is also working with movie studios to show 3-D versions of trailers on the devices. Green Lantern, which will premier in June, will be the first such trailer available.

Nintendo is also working to create a 3-D channel that will offer exclusive short form videos on the device. Mr. Iwata declined to provide specific information about the content, but said that channel would be live by mid-year. The company is also working to create a version of the 3DS that will capture 3D video.

作者: Pele 时间: 2011-3-3 17:49

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岩田老师说的对
顺便骂街，你丫也知道低品质是罪，TMD3DS首发一堆什么玩意

作者: 蒋介石 时间: 2011-3-3 17:53

岩哥威武。。。。

作者: cf3b5 时间: 2011-3-3 18:04

某种程度上确实也对～不少音乐界的业内一直认为ipod拉低了整个世界欣赏音乐的水准～
仔细回想一下，现在的好音质机器几乎都是以前出的，现在出的机器的统统讲究的都是快餐～

作者: equal 时间: 2011-3-3 18:06

游戏到底应该是简单的还是复杂的呢？

作者: 天空の軌跡 时间: 2011-3-3 18:08

我真觉得现在手机系统这些游戏很无聊。。。那么多神作我都玩着玩着就不想玩了，时间不会超过1天

作者: scstriker 时间: 2011-3-3 18:09

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任地狱ds上30刀的＂益智＂游戏ios只卖0.99刀，楼主你选哪个？

作者: 720 时间: 2011-3-3 18:09

有人不需要你说的神作

他只要轻松一下就行了。

作者: 美脆皮 时间: 2011-3-3 18:12

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看看ds和3ds那些游戏，哥smilence

作者: 绯雨流 时间: 2011-3-3 18:18

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掌机和手机区别小了

作者: ooo 时间: 2011-3-3 18:20

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失败者的扯淡借口

作者: Winder07 时间: 2011-3-3 18:24

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劣币驱逐良币，以后游戏会发展成类似电影那种一年只有几个爆米花大片的情况么？

作者: jun4rui 时间: 2011-3-3 18:25

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Android表示压力不大

作者: Winder07 时间: 2011-3-3 18:28

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你丫现在不玩游戏了，要是玩手机游戏你就知道找一个值得一玩的游戏是多么不容易了。我是从一名玩家的角度来看待问题

作者: georgebartom 时间: 2011-3-3 18:32

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其实他每说错，手机游戏完全没兴趣，ipad的游戏也就碰一下而已

作者: 潜水艇的水 时间: 2011-3-3 18:35

果然是屁股决定脑袋

作者: csisj 时间: 2011-3-3 18:35

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原帖由 Pele 于 2011-3-3 17:49 发表
站队表示
岩田老师说的对
顺便骂街，你丫也知道低品质是罪，TMD3DS首发一堆什么玩意

低价低品质是罪，高价低品质就是可爱的蓝海

作者: NoLife 时间: 2011-3-3 18:42

我總覺任天堂正風光的時候也有人跳出來說電子遊戲破壞了人們單純鮮明的生活，如今...，世界真是滾滾向前啊。

作者: 烏鴉 时间: 2011-3-3 18:52

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愤怒的小鸟不是好游戏么？水果忍者不是好游戏么？发展国不是好游戏么？那些优秀的塔防游戏的不是好游戏么？

当年老任喷ps发展lu，然后自己用ds和wii发展更加lu的lu
现在手机发展更高比较级的lu了，你又开喷了，大家都的陪着老任转啊

你没手机游戏玩你可以去玩ds，非传统玩家远远比传统玩家多。我看地铁里广大普通手机用户玩小鸟很high嘛
我哥用3gs玩dmc的时候一点也不羡慕我开高画质玩孤岛危机2。有需求就有市场， ps到ps2时代已经证明死忠养活老任绰绰有余。

作者: mayokaze 时间: 2011-3-3 18:53

葱哥说得对,但是这话他口中说出来没说服力啊

作者: leon2236 时间: 2011-3-3 19:10

虽然不喜欢盐田从，但是对于盐田从说的这话还是支持的~~~

作者: 绯雨流 时间: 2011-3-3 19:20

安卓手机有什么游戏？

作者: 烏鴉 时间: 2011-3-3 20:31

其实根本就不会杯具，只不过任天堂活的没以前滋润罢了
虽然DS和WII出了那么多LU游戏，打扮该出的CU大部都照样出了。
手机游戏只不过是跟老任抢枪那些LU，争夺一下口袋和手掌上的利润
你家用机的份额，掌机CU向的份额，照样一分占不了
你们这些CU根本没有必要听聪哥忽悠，N64和NGC时代，任天堂也都是黑字黑得很。
他现在不过出来鼓吹一下打打感情牌罢了。

作者: aso 时间: 2011-3-3 21:05

盐田葱还真以为自己是根葱啊？

事实就是这么残酷：苹果的Appstroe已经在不知不觉间改变了便携游戏的规则，从制做主体到发行渠道再到定价，全变了。Appstore的游戏市场从无到有，再到蒸蒸日上疯狂扩张、严重危胁任天堂的蓝海，依靠的是无数个人或小团体那充满想像力且风格多样的精彩表现，从来没有依靠过那帮传统的游戏大厂，也不依靠传统的流通渠道。相反，那帮老家伙在IOS上的表现，除EA相对给力外，其它的基本可以用傻逼二字来概括，做点东西又贵又无聊，存在感基本是空气。这帮人开不开发IOS游戏，对Appstore来说根本无关紧要，爱来来不来滚……

另一方面，作为用户，很容易接受Appstore所开创的一切，理由每简单——便宜。像Angry Brids、Cut the Rope这样制做精良、且持继更新增加大量内容的游戏只要1美元就能买到，那以后还有什么理由花30美元去买任天堂那从来不知更新为何物的脑白金呢？像Dead Space、Real Racing这样绝对意义上的大作只花7美元就能玩到，那以后还有什么理由花40美元去买掌机上的同类游戏呢？

时代已经变了，要么适应，要么出局，Google就能明白这个道理，所以Android的打法和苹果基本是一个路数。而像阿葱瞎喷饭，就末免太下限了……

[ 本帖最后由 aso 于 2011-3-3 21:15 编辑 ]

作者: xcj00xx 时间: 2011-3-3 21:10

泡泡龙都买4980的时代还有脸说这话，真是无耻，弄个五年前的硬件卖25000还有没有良心

作者: 卡米哇可可 时间: 2011-3-3 21:16

手机玩游戏表示很蛋疼- -
特别是现在的触摸屏手机，无实体按键就没有游戏的快感- -

作者: csisj 时间: 2011-3-3 21:24

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原帖由 卡米哇可可 于 2011-3-3 21:16 发表
手机玩游戏表示很蛋疼- -
特别是现在的触摸屏手机，无实体按键就没有游戏的快感- -

应援团泪流满面

作者: 化骨绵掌 时间: 2011-3-3 21:46

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各取所需适者生存＿＿－－

作者: 俞莲舟 时间: 2011-3-3 21:59

咱不需要游戏，只需要lifestyle

作者: sarion 时间: 2011-3-3 22:25

聪哥V5！！！！！！！！！

作者: fujin 时间: 2011-3-3 22:41

话有可取之处

问题这话从你丫嘴里冒出来就太

作者: 酸性体质 时间: 2011-3-4 07:31

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看了这贴，最大感慨，杠神无处不在

作者: hzl 时间: 2011-3-4 07:40

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你是卖游戏机的，聪哥说这话总觉得不对啊

作者: kalberte 时间: 2011-3-4 08:56

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不知该说什么了，耳畔回响着pia pia的自抽声

作者: 何囧 时间: 2011-3-4 09:37

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感觉到压力了，要说收入的可持续性，手机平台一点儿也不差啊。。

作者: jinwyp 时间: 2011-3-4 10:23

以后任天堂的游戏就是大餐啊
玩ios是大排档

作者: keith 时间: 2011-3-4 10:29

游戏开发者难道有钱不赚？就给你一个人打工？

作者: aironline 时间: 2011-3-4 11:02

扯淡，你以为你的DS游戏在手机上做不出来？

作者: recklezz 时间: 2011-3-4 11:13

从这家伙口中说出来，只能想到“打脸”二字

作者: ds999 时间: 2011-3-4 17:24

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原帖由 Winder07 于 2011-3-3 18:28 发表
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你丫现在不玩游戏了，要是玩手机游戏你就知道找一个值得一玩的游戏是多么不容易了。我是从一名玩家的角度来看待问题

玩了20多年游戏的老玩家买了ip4港行32G首发，到现在打电话50个没超过，就是用来玩游戏:D

作者: mazdaism 时间: 2011-3-4 17:28

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见证朝代的更替会让人有一点兴奋

作者: leica 时间: 2011-3-4 17:45

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233MAX

作者: mazdaism 时间: 2011-3-4 18:12

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见证朝代的更替会让人有一点兴奋

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