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标题: [索尼高层神论]北美CEO:社会害了我 [打印本页]

作者: dogsoldier    时间: 2007-2-9 13:54     标题: [索尼高层神论]北美CEO:社会害了我

EMG: P3的首发是所有主机首发中最渣的,到底咋了?
Tretton:这个问题......万恶的社会啊(接着讲到每个人都希望P3死掉然而P3的首发世索尼有史以来最好的)[s:129]
EGM:我们查过了,P3都静静的在货架上躺着,无人问津呀
Tretton:你在北美的任何一个货架上找到一台躺了5分钟以上的P3,俺就给你1200刀!!(接着讲到他能给任何一个零售商打电话确认P3在北美超级热卖)
EGM我们随机给18个地方(包括BB,EB GAMES)发现有一半左右都剩下了将近20台P3.......
Tretton:要知道我们可是向北美发了100W台(死撑了) (接着呢就暗示零售商撒谎了(OH MY GOD,全民反索)
EMG:那么你们的UMD又怎么说呢?
Tretton:我们的错误在于,我们认为这些电影公司懂得客户和他们的口味...他们应该知道他们在干什么吧(原来是电影公司的错啊)
All quotes are from this month's EGM that I just got today in an interwith with Jack Tretton, Sony CEA CEO and President.

Note: EGM questions are paraphrased, Tretton's responses word for word (except stuff in parenthesis)

Question 1

EGM: PS3's launch has had the most negativity of any launch surrounding it, what happened?

Tretton: The problem we have . . . it's society in general. (then talks about how everyone wants them to fail but the PS3 was the most successful launch Sony ever had )

Question 2

EGM: Say they've done checking around and PS3s are sitting on store shelves.

Tretton: Really? If you can find a PS3 anywhere in North America that's been on shelves for more than five minutes I'll give you $1,200. (Then talks about how he can call any retailer and confirm that there are no PS3s on shelves anywhere in NA).

EGM: We just called 18 random locations (Best Buy, EB Games) and half of them had PS3s in stock - some as many as 20 units.

Tretton: We've shipped more than 1 million units to North America... (goes on to imply that retailers are probably lying on the phone about their inventory and backtracks and says that if only 9 out of 18 have PS3s then the glass is half full )

Question 3

EGM: What went wrong with the UMD format on the PSP?

Tretton: The mistake we made with UMD as a movie format was assuming the movie studios understood our consumers and their tastes . . . that they knew what they were doing.

Ok, that's enough. Everyone should pick up a copy of this month's EGM - this Sony guy comes off as the typical Sony arrogant ass.
转自:http://www.gamespot.com/pages/fo ... p?topic_id=25363298

[ 本帖最后由 dogsoldier 于 2007-2-9 13:56 编辑 ]
作者: tdkgtm360    时间: 2007-2-9 13:59

反ps3就是反社会
作者: 萤火虫    时间: 2007-2-9 14:00

来中国吧,我们的社会多么的和谐
作者: 不当饭    时间: 2007-2-9 14:08

We just called 18 random locations (Best Buy, EB Games) and half of them had PS3s in stock - some as many as 20 units.

这句话,lz翻译得有点问题...


不过scea的ceo还真是强啊,逞强逞到这种程度了...
作者: 岳不群    时间: 2007-2-9 14:08

点背不能怨社会


作者: tdkgtm360    时间: 2007-2-9 14:10

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原帖由 不当饭 于 2007-2-9 14:08 发表
We just called 18 random locations (Best Buy, EB Games) and half of them had PS3s in stock - some as many as 20 units.

这句话,lz翻译得有点问题...


不过scea的ceo还真是强啊,逞强逞到这种程度 ...
天师张的大弟子能不强?
作者: west2046    时间: 2007-2-9 14:13

索尼式的对话太强了!
作者: 游迹    时间: 2007-2-9 14:21

人不能索尼到这样的程度
作者: 收集者    时间: 2007-2-9 14:22

强者风范:D
作者: west2046    时间: 2007-2-9 14:24

http://www.gamespot.com/pages/fo ... p?topic_id=25363298
后面不少玩家要求拿到1200刀!!!
作者: Kuzuryuusen    时间: 2007-2-9 14:25

arrogant ass

作者: hanzo    时间: 2007-2-9 14:26

Tretton: The mistake we made with UMD as a movie format was assuming the movie studios understood our consumers and their tastes . . . that they knew what they were doing.

这话是说给总部听的吧
作者: fido7    时间: 2007-2-9 14:27

haha, this topic proves that System Wars is full of Xbox fans. This guy provided no real proof of this interview ever taking place and you all buy it like it's true.

The TC claimed he posted what Tretton said word for word...yet it seems Tretton never gets to finish what he was saying....he adds "...." in the end.....

和TG一个德行
作者: fido7    时间: 2007-2-9 14:29

I can't believe I am reading this. Everyone finds this interview to be legit when the TC provided no such proof? He claimed the interview is word for word....then what is this:

Tretton: We've shipped more than 1 million units to North America... (goes on to imply that retailers are probably lying on the phone about their inventory and backtracks and says that if only 9 out of 18 have PS3s then the glass is half full )

Goes on to imply? imply what? Why did the topic creator cut the rest of the statement off and added his own anti-ps3 bias?

全世界反索饭喜爱YY:D
作者: dogsoldier    时间: 2007-2-9 14:47

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原帖由 不当饭 于 2007-2-9 14:08 发表
We just called 18 random locations (Best Buy, EB Games) and half of them had PS3s in stock - some as many as 20 units.

这句话,lz翻译得有点问题...


不过scea的ceo还真是强啊,逞强逞到这种程度 ...
没什么大问题吧,无非就是  我们随机给18各地方打了电话(BB,EB)发现有9家都有存货,部分地方甚至有20台
这样要不要好一点
作者: gil    时间: 2007-2-9 14:50

全世界软饭联合起来
作者: leoli306    时间: 2007-2-9 14:54

晕~~~反正它是来搞笑的~~
作者: k-1    时间: 2007-2-9 14:56

果然是天师派的口吻……
作者: tank149510    时间: 2007-2-9 14:59

不能怪社会……
作者: maidofhonor    时间: 2007-2-9 15:04

真是恶心沥血.... 大姨妈来都没流这麽多....

难怪..... 会卖成这副德性...
作者: 藕是张力    时间: 2007-2-9 15:16

说的是最新一期?


作者: dogsoldier    时间: 2007-2-9 15:18

是的,GS的是被剪切的,1up有完整版
作者: 藕是张力    时间: 2007-2-9 15:28

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原帖由 dogsoldier 于 2007-2-9 15:18 发表
是的,GS的是被剪切的,1up有完整版
完整版在哪里?
作者: acid    时间: 2007-2-9 15:32

我服了。。。亲s和s内部人士原来大多一个样子。。。
作者: muranus    时间: 2007-2-9 15:32

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原帖由 藕是张力 于 2007-2-9 15:28 发表


完整版在哪里?
完整版看杂志。。。
作者: dogsoldier    时间: 2007-2-9 15:32

http://www.1up.com/do/newsStory?cId=3156907
作者: muranus    时间: 2007-2-9 15:37

引用:
原帖由 dogsoldier 于 2007-2-9 15:32 发表
http://www.1up.com/do/newsStory?cId=3156907
这个不是完整版。最后一句:Read the complete Jack Tretton interview and EGM's cover story "BattleStation!" in the March issue of Electronic Gaming Monthly -- on newsstands Feb. 13.
作者: mouseguard    时间: 2007-2-9 15:44

EGM: PS3's launch has had the most negativity of any launch surrounding it, what happened?

Tretton: The problem we have . . . it's society in general.

久多的门下就没一个脸上有肉的, 全换成合金制品了!
作者: dogsoldier    时间: 2007-2-9 15:52

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原帖由 muranus 于 2007-2-9 15:37 发表


这个不是完整版。最后一句:Read the complete Jack Tretton interview and EGM's cover story "BattleStation!" in the March issue of Electronic Gaming Monthly -- on newsstands Feb. 13.
哦,那只能说比GS那个老兄的完整
作者: 愈液愈美丽    时间: 2007-2-9 15:58

高层真不给fans长脸啊
作者: 藕是张力    时间: 2007-2-9 15:59

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原帖由 dogsoldier 于 2007-2-9 15:32 发表
http://www.1up.com/do/newsStory?cId=3156907
这个只是节选啊
作者: dogsoldier    时间: 2007-2-9 16:11

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原帖由 藕是张力 于 2007-2-9 15:59 发表


这个只是节选啊
我弄错了,完整的只能看杂志:D
作者: 藕是张力    时间: 2007-2-9 16:52


作者: tdkgtm360    时间: 2007-2-9 17:00

引用:
原帖由 fido7 于 2007-2-9 14:27 发表
haha, this topic proves that System Wars is full of Xbox fans. This guy provided no real proof of this interview ever taking place and you all buy it like it's true.

The TC claimed he posted w ...
稍安勿躁
作者: DEXTER    时间: 2007-2-9 17:04

我一直以为是软饭KUSO的,没想到高层真是。。。。。
作者: 藕是张力    时间: 2007-2-9 17:17

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原帖由 DEXTER 于 2007-2-9 17:04 发表
我一直以为是软饭KUSO的,没想到高层真是。。。。。
一月初采访的时候说滴
作者: 灌水马甲    时间: 2007-2-9 17:20

翻译的比较赞
作者: magicleo    时间: 2007-2-9 17:21

做为高层更是没有说话得自由。老佛爷如果喜欢吹高调,小李子门就得挺着上,哪怕自己心里很郁闷很恶心。
我觉得这个经理可怜又辛苦。不过说1200BUCK 买那段实在太过分了。。。。为什么S社得公关水平这么得差。。。。。
作者: westlost    时间: 2007-2-9 19:07

唉,仔细想想sony也挺可怜的,其实现在落到这步田地不怨ms,主要是N太nb了
作者: 123321456    时间: 2007-2-9 19:10

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原帖由 westlost 于 2007-2-9 19:07 发表
唉,仔细想想sony也挺可怜的,其实现在落到这步田地不怨ms,主要是N太nb了
当年连抄带骗差点整死nin,天理循环,sony也该还一点出来吧。
作者: 没钱的命    时间: 2007-2-9 19:15

其实他也是混口饭吃~~~~~
作者: bluesnow    时间: 2007-2-10 00:23

出來混,始終是要還的...
作者: 马甲雷    时间: 2007-2-10 00:36

本来要和人家合作,心诚点应该也不是什么过分要求,非要瞒着对方在契约书上动手动脚,耍那点小聪明要算计对方,被对方识破后恼羞成怒赤膊上阵明火执仗的抢劫。利用人心思变侥幸得了手。

而今终于也有还上的时候,应该感谢上帝的倒该是sony自己,到头来总算还能有个勉强体面地下台方式。没闹到和sega那样被人吞了的结局就应该感谢祖上积德了。
作者: maidofhonor    时间: 2007-2-10 02:01

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原帖由 马甲雷 于 2007-2-10 00:36 发表
本来要和人家合作,心诚点应该也不是什幺过分要求,非要瞒着对方在契约书上动手动脚,耍那点小聪明要算计对方,被对方识破后恼羞成怒赤膊上阵明火执仗的抢劫。利用人心思变侥幸得了手。

而今终于也有还上的时 ...
顶顶顶!说得好!

翻译 (初心者向):
在任天堂SFC当红的时候,任天堂有意与SONY一同为SFC开发一款名为"Play Station"的CD-ROM载体,
於是与SONY签约合作。没想到SONY在合作契约上动了手脚,欲陷任天堂於不义。

当初所的签合约里有个SONY设下的圈套,意即,除了开发与SFC搭配使用的CD-ROM载体之外,
SONY还可以自行跳脱任天堂的合约,独自生产新的CD-ROM载体,此载体可以完全运行SFC光盘游戏,与SONY的独家游戏,
但SFC上的CD-ROM 却无法运行这些SONY游戏。也就是:出老千。

可惜此毒招被任天堂识破,当下立即中止合约,CD-ROM计画转投飞利浦怀抱,虽然也是无疾而终。

觊觎任天堂游戏机市场的肥肉,却被识破的SONY,恼羞成怒到处对媒体求爷爷告奶奶,说任天堂毁约,造成SONY极大损失...。

後来诚如楼上所言,人心思变下,侥幸得了君王宠爱,变成了游戏界的败国妖姬,把游戏界的大小公司一一搞死,合併求存。

了解来龙去脉後,从那时开始,偶就对"缩尼马X格~哔"这家公司,讨厌异常。大嫌矣。
作者: 藕是张力    时间: 2007-2-10 03:11

引用:
原帖由 maidofhonor 于 2007-2-10 02:01 发表
顶顶顶!说得好!

翻译 (初心者向):
在任天堂SFC当红的时候,任天堂有意与SONY一同为SFC开发一款名为"Play Station"的CD-ROM载体,
於是与SONY签约合作。没想到SONY在合作契约上动了手脚,欲陷任天堂於不义。

当初所的签合约里有个SONY设下的圈套,意即,除了开发与SFC搭配使用的CD-ROM载体之外,
SONY还可以自行跳脱任天堂的合约,独自生产新的CD-ROM载体,此载体可以完全运行SFC光盘游戏,与SONY的独家游戏,
但SFC上的CD-ROM 却无法运行这些SONY游戏。也就是:出老千。

可惜此毒招被任天堂识破,当下立即中止合约,CD-ROM计画转投飞利浦怀抱,虽然也是无疾而终。

觊觎任天堂游戏机市场的肥肉,却被识破的SONY,恼羞成怒到处对媒体求爷爷告奶奶,说任天堂毁约,造成SONY极大损失...。

後来诚如楼上所言,人心思变下,侥幸得了君王宠爱,变成了游戏界的败国妖姬,把游戏界的大小公司一一搞死,合併求存。

了解来龙去脉後,从那时开始,偶就对"缩尼马X格~哔"这家公司,讨厌异常。大嫌矣。
兼听则明,偏信则暗
以下来自WIKI,算是比较中立的表述了当时的事件
谁是谁非,后人评说吧
引用:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PlayStation

The first conceptions of the PlayStation date back to 1986. Nintendo had been attempting to work with disk technology since the Famicom, but the medium had problems. Its rewritable magnetic nature could be easily erased (thus leading to a lack of durability), and the disks were a piracy danger. Consequently, when details of CDROM/XA (an extension of the CD-ROM format that combines compressed audio, visual and computer data, allowing all to be accessed simultaneously) came out, Nintendo was interested. CDROM/XA was being simultaneously developed by Sony and Philips. Nintendo approached Sony to develop a CD-ROM add-on, tentatively titled the "SNES-CD". A contract was struck, and work began. Nintendo's choice of Sony was due to a prior dealing: Ken Kutaragi, the person who would later be dubbed "The Father of PlayStation," was the individual who had sold Nintendo on using the Sony SPC-700 processor for use as the 8 channel ADPCM sound synthesis set in the Super Famicom/SNES console through an impressive demonstration of the processor's capabilities.

Sony also planned to develop another, Nintendo compatible, Sony-branded console, but one which would be more of a home entertainment system playing both Super Nintendo cartridges and a new CD format which Sony would design. This was also to be the format used in SNES-CD discs, giving a large degree of control to Sony despite Nintendo's leading position in the video gaming market.

In 1989, the SNES-CD was to be announced at the June CES . However, when Hiroshi Yamauchi read the original 1988 contract between Sony and Nintendo, he realized that the earlier agreement essentially handed Sony complete control over any and all titles written on the SNESCD-ROM format. Yamauchi was furious; deeming the contract totally unacceptable, he secretly cancelled all plans for the joint Nintendo-Sony SNES CD attachment. Indeed, instead of announcing their partnership, at 9 am the day of the CES, Nintendo chairman Howard Lincoln stepped onto the stage and revealed that they were now allied with Philips, and were planning on abandoning all the previous work Nintendo and Sony had accomplished. Lincoln and Minoru Arakawa had, unbeknownst to Sony, flown to Philips headquarters in Europe and formed an alliance of a decidedly different nature — one that would give Nintendo total control over its licenses on Philips machines.

The 9am CES announcement was a complete shock. Not only was it a complete surprise to the show goers (Sony had only just the previous night been optimistically showing off the joint project under the "Play Station" brand), but it was seen by many in the Japanese business community as a massive betrayal: a Japanese company snubbing another Japan-based company in favor of a European one was considered absolutely unthinkable in Japanese business.

After the collapse of the joint project, Sony considered halting their research, but ultimately the company decided to use what they had developed so far and make it into a complete, stand alone console. This led to Nintendo filing a lawsuit claiming breach of contract and attempted, in U.S. federal court, to obtain an injunction against the release of the Play Station, on the grounds that Nintendo owned the name[citation needed]. The federal judge presiding over the case denied the injunction. Thus, in October 1991, the first incarnation of the new Sony PlayStation was revealed; it is theorized that only 200 or so of these machines were ever produced.

By the end of 1992, Sony and Nintendo reached a deal whereby the "Sony Play Station" would still have a port for SNES games, but Nintendo would own the rights and receive the bulk of the profits from the games, and the SNES would continue to use the Sony-designed audio chip. However, at this point, Sony realized that the SNES technology was getting long in the tooth, and the next generation of console gaming was around the corner: work began in early 1993 on reworking the "Play Station" concept to target a new generation of hardware and software; as part of this process the SNES cartridge port was dropped, the space between the names was removed, and the PlayStation was born.
[ 本帖最后由 藕是张力 于 2007-2-10 03:24 编辑 ]
作者: zj87813096    时间: 2007-2-10 03:25

SONY现在动的小手脚和他做的东西一样,越来越没技术含量了.




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