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作者: cangying 时间: 2007-1-5 07:00 标题: ＸＢＯＸ３６０秘密內建晶片功能正式解密～ＸＯ实现１０８０Ｐ的关键

http://forum3.gamer.com.tw/C.php?bsn=60282&snA=14517&locked=F&tnum=8&subbsn=0&Bpage=1

根據Arstechnica於2007/01/02與XboxLive 市場團隊經理Aaron Greenberg、遊戲技術團隊經理Scott Henson的訪談，一塊在360 2005年上市拆機後被認定"功能不明"且亦有網路來源指稱為"秘密武器"的小晶片，今日功能正式解明：這是一塊硬體Scaling Chip。

去年秋季更新提供的1080p支援即是利用此晶片進行像素擴增與強化。由於將720p提升至1080p的作業經由硬體部件處理，在2.25倍像素提升的過程中幾乎不能察覺任何性能損失。

http://arstechnica.com/articles/headstart.ars/1

Ana is a bot

It's time to put the systems in the room to the test and check out how the games look and how the Xbox 360 and PS3 handle upscaling. "If you really wanted to be mean you would have run these tests in 720p or 1080i," I say, referring to the issues that Sony is having with those two resolutions. I appreciate the fact that they wanted to show the PS3 looking as good as possible, and I'm surprised this is something they didn't bring up earlier. They realize what I'm talking about, and Scott Henson opens a small package and shows me what's inside.

"Is that it?" I ask. He nods.

"We call it Ana. This is the scaling chip that's in the 360," he tells me.

It's odd to see it—a tiny little chip—but this may be one of the secret weapons the 360 has against the PS3. The PS3 has no internal hardware scaler, which means games that are 720p native can only be shown in 720p or 480p; there is no scaling up to 1080p or 1080i. This causes people with older HDTVs to have issues with the available resolutions, and keeps them from playing the games in anything but 480p. It's a vexing problem for a system that's supposed to be HD, and this issue is one of the most challenging that Sony faces. I ask the Microsoft guys how important it was for them to include a scaler in the 360.

"It was a critical design decision; we wanted the 360 to be high-definition, not just 1080p or some other standard. That's why we included component cables in the box; there is no HDTV that doesn't have a component in," said Greenberg.
They assume that Sony didn't include a hardware scaler to keep costs down, but get a little cagey when I ask how much it costs to put Ana into the 360. "This isn't a $1,000 scaler," Henson says, "but it's a good one."

It was apparently designed at the same time as the GPU, and the effortless scaling with different televisions was something that was important from the early design stages of the system. I ask if they think this is something that Sony can fix in software.

"It'll be hard," Greenberg answers, "and compatibility testing would be tough with existing software. I think as they update the hardware they'll add a hardware scaler."

I've had the same thought before, but it certainly doesn't make me happy as a first-generation consumer. It will be very interesting to see how Sony ends up fixing this, or if they think it's a problem at all. For the time being, most games will be 720p native, so the majority of HDTV owners will be able to play them. This is an issue that you may or may not care about. Or maybe you have a 1080p set already and this doesn't bother you. It's hard to know just how many people this affects, but you should be aware of which resolutions your television can handle when choosing which system to buy.

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作者: ipodfan 时间: 2007-1-5 07:09

这算不算又阴了一下索尼呢

据说：PS3的1080P是软差值上去的，XO的是硬差值 :D

作者: hdfeel 时间: 2007-1-5 07:22

到现在才公布，而且还在ps3发布前几天，升级激活本来就存在的东西。 sony 被玩死了。硬插比软插高一个档次，又不消耗机能。兼容性又好。

作者: ipodfan 时间: 2007-1-5 07:26

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原帖由 hdfeel 于 2007-1-5 07:22 发表
到现在才公布，而且还在ps3发布前几天，升级激活本来就存在的东西。 sony 被玩死了。硬插比软插高一个档次，又不消耗机能。兼容性又好。

前些天不是有PS3用户反映有些游戏在1080P时出现运行问题？据说就是因为和软插配合不好造成的。而XO是硬插所以不存在这方面的问题。

作者: vagranteve 时间: 2007-1-5 07:27

:D 神奇啊

作者: gil 时间: 2007-1-5 08:32

真好玩。

作者: MysterioJr 时间: 2007-1-5 08:45

软插不行软插容易漏出来而且不容易插进去
一般大家应该都是选择硬插效果更好

作者: PENNYSHAW 时间: 2007-1-5 08:47

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原帖由 MysterioJr 于 2007-1-5 08:45 发表
软插不行软插容易漏出来而且不容易插进去
一般大家应该都是选择硬插效果更好

貌似我看懂了。。。。。

好YD~~~

作者: huangxu101 时间: 2007-1-5 09:09

MS阴险啊

作者: 古兰佐 时间: 2007-1-5 09:10

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原帖由 MysterioJr 于 2007-1-5 08:45 发表
软插不行软插容易漏出来而且不容易插进去
一般大家应该都是选择硬插效果更好

在下没看懂你在说什么.真的.

作者: carnon 时间: 2007-1-5 09:13

软插会抖动的

作者: 大茶壶 时间: 2007-1-5 09:21

软插进的去吗？:D

作者: baggio635193 时间: 2007-1-5 09:38

怎么都什么也没有看明白

作者: catxing 时间: 2007-1-5 09:41

软的插着插着就变硬的了，所以也一样

作者: ywlnn 时间: 2007-1-5 09:45

看到LS几位的发言，我觉得这贴有玩儿完的趋势

作者: Loading 时间: 2007-1-5 09:46

对于整天作补丁的人来说，这应该是惯用伎俩了吧

作者: cbjah 时间: 2007-1-5 09:54

帖子已经很成人向了……
多好的一帖啊
废的了

作者: dboy99 时间: 2007-1-5 10:08

不管软插硬插，能插出高潮就是好插

作者: ipodfan 时间: 2007-1-5 10:08

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原帖由 cbjah 于 2007-1-5 09:54 发表
帖子已经很成人向了……
多好的一帖啊
废的了

如何管理是主要的。是封贴还是封ID？

象这帖子，发帖者没有违反版规，内容也没有违反版规。反倒是回帖的违反版规。

封贴的话，等于是纵容回帖者的行为。

作者: olong 时间: 2007-1-5 10:10

其实这个本来是为了给xbox 游戏插值用的。

作者: 责任编辑 时间: 2007-1-5 10:18

软插不行软插容易漏出来而且不容易插进去
一般大家应该都是选择硬插效果更好

作者: XIAORU 时间: 2007-1-5 10:34

:D 只有硬插才是最爽的

作者: QuiGon 时间: 2007-1-5 10:54

软的怎么插？只有硬的才可以的好伐～
LS几位明显没有实践经验

作者: 愈液愈美丽 时间: 2007-1-5 10:56

ls 明显没有看过日本三流啊片！

作者: amm 时间: 2007-1-5 11:17

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原帖由 QuiGon 于 2007-1-5 10:54 发表
软的怎么插？只有硬的才可以的好伐～
LS几位明显没有实践经验

处男炫耀，鉴定完毕

作者: 弓越长越好 时间: 2007-1-5 13:43

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原帖由 MysterioJr 于 2007-1-5 08:45 发表
软插不行软插容易漏出来而且不容易插进去
一般大家应该都是选择硬插效果更好

胡说八道，软插根本进不去。:D

作者: QuiGon 时间: 2007-1-5 13:47

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原帖由 amm 于 2007-1-5 11:17 发表

处男炫耀，鉴定完毕

哈哈，一看就是没有过经验的。
你软插个给我试试，插的进免费给你插我女人

作者: 猛男乙 时间: 2007-1-5 13:48

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原帖由 弓越长越好 于 2007-1-5 13:43 发表

胡说八道，软插根本进不去。:D

明显没见过黑人的家伙.

作者: QuiGon 时间: 2007-1-5 13:50

LS猛，连黑人都出来了，我认输了

作者: MysterioJr 时间: 2007-1-5 13:51

这贴明显跑题了啊！！

作者: BDjoe 时间: 2007-1-5 13:57

07年从仙台的那帖开始 TG的各个区的KUSO质量明显上升

作者: playerstation 时间: 2013-11-8 13:14

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原帖由 hdfeel 于 2007-1-5 07:22 发表
到现在才公布，而且还在ps3发布前几天，升级激活本来就存在的东西。 sony 被玩死了。硬插比软插高一个档次，又不消耗机能。兼容性又好。

我很赞同。

作者: 阿色 时间: 2013-11-8 13:27

反正没负面新闻发，那就挖坟，反正一定要保证页面x1黑帖的数量，想尽一切办法往死里弄对吧

作者: playerstation 时间: 2013-11-8 13:33

反正从E3开始脸就变成篮球了，再多打几下也无所谓了，正可谓人不要脸天下无敌，对某群体来说再正常不过了。膜拜finish the fight红宝书的时候可曾想到今天。

作者: 阿色 时间: 2013-11-8 13:40

finish the fight索索们就拿着这个游戏广告词杜撰自high吧，次时代多给ps4烧烧高香吧，哈哈哈哈

作者: 正义的化身 时间: 2013-11-8 13:44

看标题，不用出X1了，直接360再战十年~~

作者: playerstation 时间: 2013-11-8 13:44

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