http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=541176
ms最近才向第三方解谜，主板带360的soc，可以并行运算。。

带360硬件有可能，但觉得可并行运算可能性极低极低~
So yes, I originally made a post on pastebin that I then posted on IGN that has now mysteriously vanished from the internet. I'm guessing good 'ol Don wasn't too happy.

In that pastebin post I said I wouldn't be saying anything else, but that was before a few things changed. So yeah.... #dealwithit.

That IGN post (that referenced the pastebin post) was also posted on NeoGAF. Though it didn't get much attention.

In that pastebin post I specifically mentioned that I was a GAF member, but that I would not be outing myself on GAF for fear of losing my job. And I still will not be doing that. I'm not an idiot.
However since the reveal is pretty close now, I thought I'd just come out and tell you everything I know. No more cryptic bullshit, just facts.

First of all, for any of the GAF members reading this (or anyone else for that matter) that actually believed the online-required rumor, well.... you're either stupid, very gullible, or a fanboy. Reading the posts some of you made over the past few weeks leads me to believe that mostly fanboyism was involved. So, I'll make this very clear:

You are not required to be connected to the internet in order to play Durango games and MS were NEVER considering doing such a thing. Now please, just read that last sentence over and over again until it sinks in. Done? Good.


Now that I've got that out of the way I can talk about the real details.
First, I'll admit some things that I originally hinted at in the first pastebin are now not going to happen. Mainly the April 18th date (obviously) and the HMD glasses. The date, as you may know by now was pushed back to May, and the glasses, well, although they’re kind of working are going to spend a bit longer in the oven.

Ok, moving on. Have you read the VGLeaks article about the Durango specs? Yes? Good because everything you read in that article was 100% correct. Except, for one tiny little detail that MS kept guarded from most devs until very recently. That detail being that every Durango ships with a Xbox 360 SOC.

There was a reason why MS hired so many former IBM and AMD employees. I'll admit I'm not an electrical engineer (I'm in software) so I won't pretend to know the ins and outs of how the 360 SOC integrates into the Durango motherboard. All I know, and all I need to know about this new change is that I (or a game dev) can use the 360 SOC in parallel with the original Durango hardware.

What does this mean in basic terms? Well, apart from Durango having 100% BC with the 360, it also increases Durango's processing power a fair amount.

Ok, so what else?

Kinect 2.0: - Again the specs from VGLeaks are correct, there's been no change and there won't be. However, the fact is, is that software can do ANYTHING, and with the quite substantial increase in the hardware over Kinect 1.0, any humanly noticeable lag should be gone

Controller: - The controller is pretty much the same. The D-Pad has been improved, but the change will only be noticeable when actually using it, i.e. it looks exactly the same, I haven't actually touched it, this is just what I’ve been told. AA batteries will make a return, but the new wireless tech MS has created for the controller, improves battery life by 16%. Again, this is just what the doc says.

Xbox Mini/Xbox TV: Yes, this is happening, although as far as I know, it’s a whole different team over at MS that are handling this. As has been reported its main purpose is to compete with Apple TV, so expect this thing to be small and around $100.
It contains the 360 SOC (similar to the one in the Durango), however no disc drive is included (to decrease size). But of course you can still play any XBLA/Games on Demand game. That’s all I really know about the xTV so I’ll leave it at that. Thurrott seems to know more than anyone else about this, so go ask him.

OS/Services: I wish I knew more about this, but I honestly don’t. I have no clue what sort of new ideas MS are going to bring to the table this gen, but I’m certainly expecting them to amaze.
The only thing that I do know for definite is that Durango will be running Windows 8. It will essentially be the full version of the OS, minus the desktop side of things. This means it’ll be running the new WinRT framework, which as a side effect also means that contrary to popular belief MS will be the most indie friendly of all the big 3 next gen.
This is because any app/game that is created for the Windows app store will (after adding controller support of course) be playable on Durango.
In other words, any random person worldwide can pay Microsoft a $60 license fee (for the Windows Store) and submit their app/game to the store where millions of people can then download/buy it. No expensive development kits needed.
Expect to hear much more on WinRT - Durango at Build2013.

Ok, so that’s pretty much it. I wish I had more info on specific games and services that MS have lined up, but it seems that even I’ll have to wait until May to find out.
I’ll look forward to this post appearing on GAF, where rest assured I’ll be lurking. Hell, who knows I may even make a few posts.

[ 本帖最后由 倍舒爽 于 2013-4-17 02:21 编辑 ]

posted by wap, platform: iOS

光增加360芯片没啥稀奇，初版PS3还带PS2芯片呢，对PS3游戏有任何帮助吗？答案显然是NO、

[ 本帖最后由 shiningfire 于 2013-4-17 04:30 编辑 ]

posted by wap, platform: Huawei (C8950D)

和ps2不一样，ps3比ps2强几百倍。ps2硬件起不了什么作用。

xo做个加强版放在720里，一可以硬兼容，还可以交火。

肯定假的，跟vgleaks的说法不一样

而且两soc这种傻逼事情没必要，还一个power一个x86，纯粹增加开发难度

放一arm还差不多

posted by wap, platform: iPad

混合交火只能按照最弱的gpu算
2倍360的性能真高不到哪去

我觉得也就是为了向下兼容吧

那兩個都PowerPC呢

posted by wap, platform: iPhone

假的一逼

posted by wap, platform: Nokia (Lumia 920)

电池怎么了？更多选择，更多欢乐！

除了超频和加内存，其他跟vgleaks不一致的东西我现在一律不信:D :D :D

而且从vgleaks的最新传闻看，MS思路已经足够清晰了，mini和Durango双线作战，分工明确还能合体，只要向消费者作好营销，次世代就算不赢也基本不会出啥大岔子。
现在最希望的就是Durango能兼容Metro应用，那就完美了

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原帖由 @讴歌123  于 2013-4-17 07:43 发表
除了超频和加内存，其他跟vgleaks不一致的东西我现在一律不信:D :D :D

而且从vgleaks的最新传闻看，MS思路已经足够清晰了，mini和Durango双线作战，分工明确还能合体，只要向消费者作好营销，次世代就算不赢也基 ...

根本不可能改那块APU里面的东西了

内存也不太可能再加了（2133MHz的内存也没那么便宜）

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原帖由 KoeiSangokushi 于 2013-4-17 08:10 发表
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根本不可能改那块APU里面的东西了

内存也不太可能再加了（2133MHz的内存也没那么便宜）

加到12G不就是为了方便在发布会上画PPT吹嘛:D :D :D

posted by wap, platform: Huawei (C8950D)

直接加到16g算了

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原帖由 讴歌123 于 2013-4-17 08:23 发表

加到12G不就是为了方便在发布会上画PPT吹嘛:D :D :D
525285

这PPT神了，颇有N厂风范

谁放老黄那张PS3比PS2强几百倍的神图

我觉得说的很中肯啊， 1. 360 soc集成进去了还能并行运算 （做点物理效果？）大不了放着不用呗，反正证明能兼容360游戏了；
2. kinect 2.0 跟之前曝光的一模一样
3. 手柄十字键又优化了，无线协议不一样了，所以电池使用时间延长了，这个也应该很可能
4. xboxmini 或者说是xbox机顶盒就是类似 苹果tv的那么个小盒子专门看视频听音乐和玩下载的XBLA游戏用的 但是不是现在这个team负责的。这个也没什么问题啊，人家是资源再利用嘛
5.操作系统用的win8 RT 应该没有metro界面。 所以任何人都能开发软件或者游戏放在wp store上玩家就能下载了。这个应该是目前最流行的方法了，也符合微软的win8大一统策略。
我觉得说的都很合理。