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出处：IGN
翻译转贴自巴哈姆特讨论区
作者：JimmyWu29

February 3, 2010 - It spiraled out of control faster than anyone thought it would. About two weeks ago, Erik Brudvig posted IGN's review of Mass Effect 2, and in 14 article comments, the fight was on.

２０１０年２月３号　事情演化至失控的速度比任何人想像中都还要快
约两星期以前　Eric Brudving刊出了我们 IGN 的 ME2 评论
然而　在短短的前１４篇读者感想之内　战争就开打了．．．

"How in the hell does mass effect 2 get a higher score than uncharted 2, I read the game is not perfectly polished, sound cuts out, characters get stuck in the environment and full game crashes occur," wrote IGN user 360andps3ownerJerk. "And you 360 biased idiots give it a better score than U.C2"

　　" ME2 他ｘ的怎么可能拿到比 uc2 还要高的分数？！
　　 我听说这游戏并不完美　音效也不怎样　人物会卡住不动　而且还会当机 "

IGN 的某使用者帐号(360andps3ownerJerk)这么回应

　　" 你们这些 360 软饭居然敢给 ME2 比 uc2 还要高的分数！？ "
"PS3 = PWND," Asian Avatar wrote later.

　　" ps3 惨啰～ "

另一个使用者帐号(Asian Avatar)这么回他

Rather than let Xbox 360 owners have a moment to read and reflect about how awesome their console exclusive was, some PS3-skewed fans high on Uncharted 2: Among Thieves decided to take the conversation to the most annoying depths of Internet hell and the 360 followers responded. In the IGN office, this war became a fun spectacle to watch. Some laughed and read comments aloud, others mentioned that a comparison was silly because Mass Effect 2 and Uncharted 2 are completely different types of games, and everyone pointed out the fact that these scores came from two different reviewers and thus were an "apples to oranges" kind of comparison.

这些当初因为 uc2 而 high 得要命的 ps3 支持者
完全不给 360 使用者一点机会可以好好阅读我们IGN这篇ME2的评论
也不给 360 使用者一点机会发表对于自己支持主机上的优质独占游戏的感想

这些 ps3 支持者决心把 ME2 的评分讨论串给导向所谓网路世界中最恶劣的境界
而这让 360 支持者展开了反击

在我们 IGN 的办公室里　这场大战演变成一场精彩的大爆笑：

有些同事一边大笑一边大声广播念出这些回文

有一些同事说
这些 ps3 支持者闲着没事干在 ME2 的讨论串里拿 uc2 出来比实在是蠢透了
因为 ME2 和 uc2 是两种不同类型的游戏

而几乎所有同仁都认为　既然 ME2 和 uc2 是两个不同小组打的分数
所以这些 ps3 支持者拿 uc2 来比 ME2 实在是跟（苹果比柳丁）没啥两样

The thing that a lot of people missed, however, is that Mass Effect 2 is indeed a better game than Uncharted 2, and I don't know how readers can be so blinded by their fanboyism to deny it.

事实上　这些人当中的大部分根本没注意到
ME2 确实是一款比 uc2 还要优质的游戏

而我实在是不知道
为什么有人的主机情节可以严重到简直跟瞎了一样去否认 (ME2> uc2) 这个事实

Now, let me remind you of who's writing this. I'm Greg Miller. I'm the guy who writes articles telling you that Trophies are better than Achievements, the guy who is desperate to win IGN's Great Trophy Whore War, and the guy who bought a PSPgo on day one and doesn't regret the decision in the least. I'm all those things, and I'm telling you that Mass Effect 2 is better than Uncharted 2.

现在　让我提醒一下　你们现在正在读的这篇文章是谁写的

我是 Greg Miller

我就是那个
写了一堆文章告诉你们 " ps3 的奖杯系统比 360 的成就系统还要好" 的那家伙

我就是那个
人称（最想抢下 "IGN 奖杯系统天王之ｘ胚 " 之称号）的那家伙

我就是那个
pspgo冲首发　也一点都不后悔的那家伙

我就是以这些事迹而众所皆知的那家伙　而我现在就告诉你：

ME2 就是比 uc2 还要好

I need you to accept this.

　　你们最好接受这个事实

Before I get going on breaking down why Mass Effect 2 is the greatest thing since sliced bread, I need to tell you that I still love Uncharted 2. It's a great game, it's totally deserving of IGN's Game of the Year 2009 Award as well as its 9.5 rating from Chris Roper, and I can't wait for the third installment. The trouble is that Mass Effect 2 is better.

ME2 是打从切片吐司这项发明之后　最棒的东西

在我开始分析理由之前　我必须要说　我还是很爱 uc2 　它是一款好游戏
它完完全全应得我们所颁发的 "IGN 2009 最佳游戏" 这个头衔
也完全应得 Chris Roper 所评下的 9.5 分　我实在是完全等不及想玩 uc3 了

但问题是．．．

ME2 就是比 uc2 还要好

What gets me with Mass Effect 2 is just how well done the story is and how much it makes me feel like I'm that character. When you build your Shepard up (or continue building him or her up if you imported your previous commander), you are that person. When I was choosing whether I would let squadmates shoot foes or if I would tell off space cops who were being jerks, I was making those decisions – it wasn't Drake or some other assigned character; this was a Shepard I had created and I was picking her path. There isn't that connection in Uncharted. Drake is Drake – he makes the call on what he is going to say or do and you're along for the ride. It's a great ride, but it's a linear one. In BioWare's game, you form friendships and then have to put those friends in harm's way and live with the consequences.

我之所以认为 ME2 比较好
是因为这个游戏的剧情架构实在是太棒了　让我觉得我自己就是主角

当你渐渐提升主角（或是继承下你的 ME1 纪录开始提升你的主角）
你就变成了那个角色


当我选择要下令让我的队友们向敌军开火时
或是当我指派工作给浑蛋太空警察的时候
做指令的人是我　而不是 uc2 的主角 Drake 或是某个游戏指定的角色

我就是我所创造的角色（Shepard）　而我选择我自己要走的路

在 uc2 里面就是没有这种与角色的连结　Drake 就是 Drake
他决定他要说什么　他决定他要做什么　你只是站在旁边看他做这些事
整个过程不错　但是却只是一直线的剧情

但在 Bioware 做的游戏里　你建立起人际关系
而你必须亲手把你的朋友推入险境　并承受你做下的决定所导致的后果

Keeping with this story argument, I was more entrenched in what was happening in Mass Effect 2 than I ever was in what was happening in Uncharted 2. For starters – and this is the fanboy gripe in me – Uncharted 2 is pretty much using the blueprint from Uncharted: Drake's Fortune along with a series of other tried and true plot points. There's the obvious double cross, Nate and Sully find the first big clue in a dank cave just like "El goddamn Dorado," and who didn't see that Nate was still in love with Elena and predict the happy ending? Keep in mind that all the stuff I just mentioned was fun and I enjoyed the hell out of it, but it didn't really keep me on my toes. It wasn't until the "grenade scene" near the end of Uncharted 2 that I really had an "OMG, what happens next?!?!" moment.

继续讨论"故事"这个方面

我对 ME2 的故事比较投入　远比 uc2 当时还要深入

对于刚开始玩 uc2 的人来说　uc2 的架构就只是沿用 uc1 的蓝图而已：
Drake 会遭遇的一切事情都有机可循
而这是我身为一个 ps3 支持者来说最大的抱怨

有必然会发生的背叛情节
Nate 和 Sully 会先在某个像该死的黄金城一样潮湿的洞穴里找到某个重大线索
还有　谁会笨到看不出来 Nate 还是很哈 Elena 并且最后一定会有美满的结局

听着　我上面提到的东西都很有意思　而我也很喜欢这种剧情
但这种情节不会让我一直都很期待后续发展

直到接近尾声的 "手榴弹那一幕" 才开始让我觉得有
"天啊　接下来呢" 的这种感觉

Meanwhile, Mass Effect 2 is filled with those moments.

然而　ME2 则是从头到尾都让我有这样的感觉

From start to finish, I was enthralled with Jacob's loyalty mission – "What happened to his father? Why was the distress signal just going off now? Holy crap, no way, did he really do that to his own people? What's Jacob going to do?!" All of those questions ran through my mind as my team and I delved deeper and deeper into the tale, and this wasn't an isolated incident. Jack's loyalty mission, the "Joker quest," the final assault of the game – all of these tasks had me on the edge of my seat. I was desperate to keep playing and see what was around the next corner.

从一开始到最后　我一直都被 Jacob's loyalty 任务给深深吸引

　" 他爸发生了什么事？　为什么刚才会发生这种不幸？
　　哇靠！不会吧！　他居然对自己同伴做这种事？ Jacob这下该怎么办？ "
当我和我的同伴愈来愈深入故事核心的同时　我的脑中无时无刻充满着这些疑问
而这可不是只有发生几次而已

在 Jack's loyalty 任务当中的 Joker 任务　游戏最后的突击任务
这些所有的事件当让我紧张地快要坐不住
我急切地继续玩下去　迫不及待地想要知道接下来会发生什么事

Now, I remember blowing off a few nights out and gaming until the wee hours of the morning with Uncharted 2, but that was more because I wanted to have the next experience and see how Drake's tale wrapped up. In Mass Effect 2, I couldn't put the game down because I wanted to know more about my crew and help them wherever I could. I got to be a part of these people's lives – Miranda's family, Thane's regrets, and so on. Sure, I have an unhealthy infatuation with Elena, but I know that I'm never going to know more about her than what Naughty Dog decides to tell me. In Mass Effect, you can drill down through all of these different dialogue trees and flesh out the world and its inhabitants. You can formulate real relationships with the people you want to be in a relationship with – you don't have to let the developer tell you if you're going to end up with Chloe or Elena… or Sully.

我是记得我也曾经熬夜玩 uc2 通宵
不过那多半都是因为我想早点知道 Drake 的故事会怎么结束
好让我早点开始可以进行下一款游戏

在进行 ME2 的时候　我根本没办法停下来玩这款游戏
因为我想更深入了解我的同伴们　并且尽我所能帮助他们

我成为了这些同伴们生命中的一部分：
Miranda 的家族　Thane 的悔恨　或者其他的

当然了　我对 Elena 也有一种不太正常的迷恋
但我知道我永远也没办法更深入了解她　除非 Naughty Dog 同意告诉我多一点

在 ME2 里面

你可以自己决定要如何更深入体会对话系统并亲身活在那个世界与那些居民当中
你可以自己建立与它人的人际关系　只要你想要　你就可以

你不用靠游戏开发者来告诉你
你最后与 Chloe 和 Elena 或 Sully 的关系会如果作收

All of this flows into Mass Effect 2's domination when it comes to replay value. As much as I enjoyed building up relationships with Garrus (yeah, I got freaky with him) and Kelly in my 30-hour playthrough, I'm as excited to go back and destroy those relationships. The first thing I did after the credits rolled on Mass Effect 2 was import my character and start a new career so that I could see how the Renegade decisions differed from the Paragon ones, to see how awesome my upgrades were against lower-level enemies, and to continue my quest to Level 30. When I beat Uncharted 2 for the first time, I put down the controller for about two months and didn't pick it back up until I had time to slog through the title and earn my Platinum Trophy. Granted, I sunk more than a few nights into Uncharted 2's co-op campaigns and I know thousands of you can't stop playing Uncharted's competitive multiplayer, but it's not the same.

这些都造成了 ME2 在游戏深度上的优势

虽然　在我 30 个小时的游戏时间之内　我很喜欢和 Garrus 和 Kelly 打打交道
但我也很想要再回过头去把我所建立起来的友谊给毁了

当我在看完 ME2 最后的 credit 字幕之后
我马上继承纪录然后开一个新档从头玩起


因为我想知道选择 Renegade 或 Paragon 会造成什么样不一样的后果
再看看继承等级之后　打初期敌人会有多爽　然后再继续玩任务到等级 30

我第一次破 uc2 的之后　接下来的两个用我再也没碰过它了
之后比较有空的时候才重新拿起来玩到拿到白金奖杯为止

我承认　有几个晚上我都在玩合作模式
而大家也知道 uc2 的线上模式有多易成瘾

但是　它跟 ME2 就是不一样．．．

Of course, the stuff I'm lauding here comes down to differences in the types of games Uncharted 2 and Mass Effect 2 are. I'm not saying Uncharted needs to become a 30-hour RPG. In the same way Uncharted 2 can't compete in the character depth of Mass Effect, Mass Effect can't compete in terms of action. Hanging from a train and blowing away bad guys is an amazing segment in Uncharted. Still, fighting's no slouch in Mass Effect 2. When you're heavy warping bad guys into the air, Jack's hitting them with more biotic powers, and Thane's picking them off with a sniper rifle, that's a thing of beauty – and again, it's unexpected. As your powers level-up and your teammates change, so does the battle system. You'll move through enemies faster, take them out in more impressive ways, and so on. In Uncharted 2, you get new weapons every so often, but Drake's skill set it still his skill set. You're going to be engaging the enemy (usually by taking cover with your back to them) the same way in the last hour of the game as you did in the first hour of the game.

当然
我上面讲的这些赞美多半都是因为 uc2 和 ME2 是两款类型不同的游戏所致
我不是说 uc2 必须要做成一个 30 小时的 RPG

同样的　uc2 比不上 ME2 的角色结构深度　而 ME2 也比不上 uc2 的动作场面
就像 uc2 挂在火车上面然后把坏人炸上天那一幕那样精彩

但是 ME2 里面的战斗场面也不是省油的灯
当你把坏蛋打上天空　Jack接着用生化攻击重击他们
Thane接着再用狙击枪解决他们

这一切真是艺术　而你事先完全料想不到

当你升级　随着伙伴的变换　战斗系统也随着变化
你会变得更适应战斗　以更妙的方式解决敌人

在 uc2 里面　有时候你拿到新武器
但 Drake 会做的事一样还是那些他只会做的事


你在游戏的最后一小时里面的玩法
跟你刚开始上手前的第一小时内的玩法是一样的

Yes, Uncharted 2 and Mass Effect 2 aren't the same type of game, they won't necessarily appeal to the same players, and comparing their pros and cons is a bit like comparing apples to oranges – but as gamers we need to be able to put aside system biases and say that one is better. For me, it's Mass Effect 2. The content, story, depth, action, and characters just dominate the competition -- even the mighty Nathan Drake.

是的　uc2 和 ME2 是两款不同类型的游戏　它们不见得会吸引同一批玩家
而拿这两者来讨论优缺点就有点像是拿苹果和柳丁来比

但身为一个专业玩家　我们必须放下主机情节并且判断哪款游戏比较好

对我来说　ME2 就是比较好

不管是内容　故事　深度　动作场面　以及角色
完全都把 uc2 比了下去

即使对手是伟大的 Nathan Drake 也没用

我发现IGN太不给SONY面子了

独占大作MAG只有7.0

而日式独占大作白骑士物语竟然只有5.1？！

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原帖由 EVAMRX 于 2010-2-7 18:35 发表
我发现IGN太不给SONY面子了

独占大作MAG只有7.0

而日式独占大作白骑士物语竟然只有5.1？！

他们不懂行。只能这么说了。。。

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原帖由 hpkiller 于 2010-2-7 18:39 发表

他们不懂行。只能这么说了。。。

我支持S饭集资黑了IGN，我出5毛钱

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最近我就在玩这两个游戏

觉得都很好玩

uncharted2的感觉像看了一场电影

mass effect 2的感觉像自编自导自演了一部电影

本帖最后由 江户川柯南 于 2010-2-7 18:57 通过手机版编辑

ME2 是打从切片吐司这项发明之后　最棒的东西。。。。。。。。。。。。。。。。。。

这个游戏有没有PS3版

白骑士得5.1高了

又见“转A9”，这里很多人不是很鄙视A9么？怎么感觉转发A9的文章这么多？？？

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原帖由 cocowindhill 于 2010-2-7 20:11 发表
又见“转A9”，这里很多人不是很鄙视A9么？怎么感觉转发A9的文章这么多？？？

A9转的还是巴哈呢

a9的这篇文章被删了。。。。

这篇文章似乎前几天有人发过啊

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原帖由 zafm0861 于 2010-2-7 20:57 发表
这篇文章似乎前几天有人发过啊

是吗？

。。。。。。。。。。

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原帖由 喷一把就死 于 2010-2-8 14:24 发表
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IGN (US) : Uncharted 2: Among Thieves
IGN AU (AU) : Uncharted 2: Among Thieves
1UP (US) : Uncharted 2: Among Thieves
Kotaku (US) : Unch ...

先别着急贴这个，这都是去年的，ME可是10年的游戏，能不能得这么多奖，谁知道呢？到时候被挖坟就尴尬了。
当然，你也不在乎这个不是。